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Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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You are talking about Wall Street, correct? And still they are free and have continued to benefit from their predatory ways and ill-gotten gains.

Wall Street is supposedly regulated, so what they do is legal, I suppose, but no, they are not exempt. And they are often fined in the millions of dollars when they are "caught", but it hasn't corrected the problem. They apparently feel it's the cost of doing business. I am reminded of the junior executive who, through his actions, ruined one of England's largest and oldest banks recently. Is simple greed at the bottom of things like this, and the situation in Missouri - which ironically is known as the "Show Me" state? :shock:

Greetings, Risky Thicket. :2wave:
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for freedom, like the ones these guys were demonstrating:

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Don't we all though want a society ruled by SOME law and order? I'm assuming your not advocating anarchy are you? Where a group of thugs can run up on you or your family and take what they want.



but do we really want anarchy



But the same principle applies. As much as you may want to hero worship about a bunch of looters that wouldn't hesitate to come in and take your stuff... no matter what your views are. Face it, these people are just a bunch of thugs looking to make a quick buck. At least with the Rodney King deal, the people had the common sense to wait for a verdict.

Certainly. I'm all about law and order, I can't stand it when these idiots ruin perfect opportunities for the public to stand up and say hell no to police excess by destroying and stealing private or public property, and I have no sympathy for these folk. But setting that aside, I do not want to see our police, the same guys we all interact with in various ways on a daily basis looking and behaving like our military, and every inch we cede will be an inch lost. As I said earlier, if a situation exceeds the limitations of law enforcement to respond adequately, then bring in the NG, and as soon as the situation is secure, put them back away.
 
Is simple greed at the bottom of things like this, and the situation in Missouri - which ironically is known as the "Show Me" state? :shock:

I think they can rename it the "Showing my ass" state. :lol:
 
What happens is that some people have been taught from birth that they are entitled to certain things and that when they don't get those things it's because they are being oppressed. These people have been raised to be victims of society and that sense of victimization is reinforced every day by the news, the politicians, the community organizers and other opportunists who figure that they can make a buck by exploiting their vulnerability.

When someone in a position like that sees an opportunity to exact a little revenge on society for all their ills they take it. They may as well take it too because at that point they have nothing to lose. Sure, they might get arrested but that isn't really a problem because they were never going to get a good job anyway. Furthermore, if they do get arrested that just confirms that they are victims of racial or ethnic bias like they have always been told.

Very well said! :thumbs:

And the media feeds that by comparing statistics about the higher numbers of non-whites currently in prison, and how unfair it is! Have we truly reached the bottom of the barrel on excuses used to justify current events?

Gre4etings, Lutherf. :2wave:
 
Certainly. I'm all about law and order, I can't stand it when these idiots ruin perfect opportunities for the public to stand up and say hell no to police excess by destroying and stealing private or public property, and I have no sympathy for these folk. But setting that aside, I do not want to see our police, the same guys we all interact with in various ways on a daily basis looking and behaving like our military, and every inch we cede will be an inch lost. As I said earlier, if a situation exceeds the limitations of law enforcement to respond adequately, then bring in the NG, and as soon as the situation is secure, put them back away.

What Monte said! My position exactly.

We will likely never know the real reason it has taken this long for the governor to replace the cops with the state patrol, but that was a good move. It may have been that the Ferguson mayor and the county police said "We got this to governor" only they didn't have it and at that point it was late in the game.

I'd love to read the after action report on this. We will never see it, however.
 
How do you know the bolded as fact?

For those who have grown up with a victim mentality it is fact. They don't know anything else so, from their perspective, it's all fact. They're like Plato's dude who was chained up in the cave. They only know what is shown to them so that becomes fact and everything else is a lie.
 
For those who have grown up with a victim mentality it is fact. They don't know anything else so, from their perspective, it's all fact. They're like Plato's dude who was chained up in the cave. They only know what is shown to them so that becomes fact and everything else is a lie.

What I was asking was how the poster knew (as fact) that cops would not be held accountable for their bad behaviors. Maybe I misunderstood the post I responded to.
 
What I was asking was how the poster knew (as fact) that cops would not be held accountable for their bad behaviors. Maybe I misunderstood the post I responded to.

I understand. I was kind of assuming that the poster was part of the victimhood crowd so you were giving more credit than I was.
 
What happens is that some people have been taught from birth that they are entitled to certain things and that when they don't get those things it's because they are being oppressed. These people have been raised to be victims of society and that sense of victimization is reinforced every day by the news, the politicians, the community organizers and other opportunists who figure that they can make a buck by exploiting their vulnerability.

When someone in a position like that sees an opportunity to exact a little revenge on society for all their ills they take it. They may as well take it too because at that point they have nothing to lose. Sure, they might get arrested but that isn't really a problem because they were never going to get a good job anyway. Furthermore, if they do get arrested that just confirms that they are victims of racial or ethnic bias like they have always been told.

Residual effects of our past humanitarian abuse thru slavery and ill treatment at least until civil rights act, NOT making excuses, but there are reasons why were seeing things like this.
 
For those who have grown up with a victim mentality it is fact. They don't know anything else so, from their perspective, it's all fact. They're like Plato's dude who was chained up in the cave. They only know what is shown to them so that becomes fact and everything else is a lie.

Coupled with an absence of respect, common sense, and personal responsibility.

People, especially kids, are a function of their environment.
 
Residual effects of our past humanitarian abuse thru slavery and ill treatment at least until civil rights act, NOT making excuses, but there are reasons why were seeing things like this.

I don't buy that for a minute. A 16 year old kid today is 150 years removed from slavery and at least two generations removed from the bulk of the Jim Crow era.
 
I've also never seen any decent uneducated white men, or decent educated black men, or decent educated Asian women, or decent uneducated Spanish women, or decent educated Native American men, or decent black women rioting or looting, etc. etc. People who riot and loot aren't decent.

Well you have seen them looting. The bankers, hedge fund managers and the like looted more than most people in America. You were here, you saw it happen. No, they didn't burn any buildings, they stole them.
 
I don't buy that for a minute. A 16 year old kid today is 150 years removed from slavery and at least two generations removed from the bulk of the Jim Crow era.

Oh I knew that would be your response when I wrote it, but easy for you to say. And they aren't 150 years away from being told to ride in the back of the bus or use the toilet out back. Thankfully you don't have a clue what it would be like to live under such treatment. And btw, don't ignore the fact that I pointed out that I hold it as no excuse for criminal behaviour.
 
Well you have seen them looting. The bankers, hedge fund managers and the like looted more than most people in America. You were here, you saw it happen. No, they didn't burn any buildings, they stole them.

Too funny, but true enough!
 
Oh I knew that would be your response when I wrote it, but easy for you to say. And they aren't 150 years away from being told to ride in the back of the bus or use the toilet out back. Thankfully you don't have a clue what it would be like to live under such treatment. And btw, don't ignore the fact that I pointed out that I hold it as no excuse for criminal behaviour.

Here's my issue with all that. Over the years a whole lot of blacks have grown up in crappy conditions and become quite successful. Those people went through the same crap that the ones playing the victim game went through but, for some reason, they managed to succeed. If that's the case then it isn't the "back of the bus" crap that caused the problems we're seeing. It's BELIEVING that crap and, in a lot of cases, PERPETUATING that crap.
 
Here's my issue with all that. Over the years a whole lot of blacks have grown up in crappy conditions and become quite successful. Those people went through the same crap that the ones playing the victim game went through but, for some reason, they managed to succeed. If that's the case then it isn't the "back of the bus" crap that caused the problems we're seeing. It's BELIEVING that crap and, in a lot of cases, PERPETUATING that crap.

Like I said, easy for you to say, but everybody is different, some people were treated worse than others some people's parents and grandparents have more horrific stories and bitterness to pass on than others. You shouldn't deny that bitterness still lingers from the past treatment of blacks in this country. But Lutherf, I didn't want to sidetrack this into a discussion away from the thread topic, sorry for that.
 
Residual effects of our past humanitarian abuse thru slavery and ill treatment at least until civil rights act, NOT making excuses, but there are reasons why were seeing things like this.

The erosion of the fabric of the black community by the Liberal agenda is the reason for this.
 
The erosion of the fabric of the black community by the Liberal agenda is the reason for this.

Want to say that a little differently? Or did you mean to blame these black people's bad behaviour on liberals?
 
Well you have seen them looting. The bankers, hedge fund managers and the like looted more than most people in America. You were here, you saw it happen. No, they didn't burn any buildings, they stole them.

No, sorry, I don't work for a bank and I don't work with hedge fund managers, so I never saw that, nor do I know anyone who was looted by them (including myself).

But of course, this is entirely off topic, isn't it Risky? Or did I stumble into the wrong thread. I thought we were discussing the protests in Missouri.
 
Its not that all cops are bad, but that the systems in place cover for them.

I've heard it explained that admitting police wrongdoing creates mistrust and second guessing. But sweeping every misdeed under the rug makes those who witness such occurrences CERTAIN that the department in question is corrupt.

So in order to save face with the population overall, they cause a few to turn against them for good every time they "let it slide".

Police/public relationships would improve dramatically if cops who **** up were held strictly accountable.

Hell, statistics involving complaints of abuse dropping dramatically when cops are required to wear cameras, as well as the aggressive ways they deal with those filming them in action speaks volumes as to how cops were behaving when no one was around to see.

None of which has anything to do with the disgusting actions of the looting and rioting people in this town.
 
You do realize the U.S has un-withdrawn reservations which therefor limit the applicability of the provisions of said protocol?

And you do know what the reservation is????

Ceases to be binding as to the use of chemical weapons in regards to any enemy state which does not observe the prohibitions of the protocol.
 
They do if they are convinced that they are living under police occupation, with no other resort. If they watch their young men being shot down in the street for no apparent reason. If they see a police force that in no way is representative of them. Frustration and anger can make people do things they might not ordinarily do.

No. Just no.

And they didnt even wait to find out if there would be an investigation or anything else.

And I'm a liberal.
 
Hey, you're the one that suggested it. Meanwhile, do you give a damn that an unarmed kid was gunned down in the street by a trigger happy cop? Or was he guilty of the crime of being a black teenager and therefore he got what he deserved.

Plenty of people care about that. We are waiting to see the results of an investigation. Yes, we presume one will take place and those resources have been sent.

Unlike you who has already judged and convicted the cop.
 
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