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Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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Yes, they have to commit a felony and rioting is not a felony out right. It's the other acts which are felonies, that makes rioting a felony. So your two example are very true. But there is two very different classification under the law. If they don't cause any damage over $500, and even then if it's 10 people who destroy a car with $5000 (Blue Book value), it comes down to how the DA charges those 10 people. DA could divided the damage cost or pin in on one person. You have no clue how the DA is charge those in that matter. Thus it makes self-defense laws a hard argument to make and extrajudicial in the case of a riot..
That's if you're going to sue someone. I'm not talking about suing them, I'm talking about shooting them. We had a thread on this law in the past, and here's an article discussing it: http://m.stltoday.com/news/opinion/...5596-9f63-7e461d269d07.html?mobile_touch=true

Ever seen a riot in person?
The LA riot and the Bagram Qur'an burning riot.

Ever been part of a peaceful protest...
I don't protest, I think it's dumb. I don't boycot, either.

Nothing like a whole line of police officers who aren't expecting tear gas be effected by it and can't hold the line.
Riot police wear gas masks for that very reason. Tear gas grenades to not distinguish between cop's eyes and rioter's eyes.
 
No, I don't think it was...I am not the one calling the cops "murderers" before an investigation, and trial are complete...



How do you know what the outcome of the investigation, or trial is? Calling your comment of "Cop shoots person in the back" a fact is premature, and you don't know. And sure you are allowed to criticize anything or anyone you want. This is a free country, but don't confuse criticism with false allegation...And as far as you 'wanting cops to exist', I'd have to question why if you think they are murderers?



Clever...Can we stick to this incident please?

Still dodging the underlying point. You're saying I can't criticize police actions if I ever plan to call them.
 
It's not self defence if I start it or if I go to them. It is self-defence if they come to me. I'll even post warning signs for 'no trespassing' & trespassers will be shot'.


Right. They have to also be comitting a feloney. Burning cars & buildings & looting are felonies. As with a any fist fight, I'll let them do a little damage first so my case looks better in court.


Oh I'm still in the service, but reservists are civilians, strictly speaking. Anyone not on active duty orders is a civilian.


Rioters don't loiter. They riot. If they just lotered then they wouldn't be called rioters. They would be loiterers. I wouldn't fire on loiterers but it would be nice if civilians could buy tear gas. Strange that we can have the means to kill but not lesser non-lethal tools which might avoid killing at all. One tazer isn't going to disperse a bar fight. One lil can of OC isn't going to stop that mob from beating the crap out of that guy. A tear gas grenade or two, however, could....but civilians can't own that, but we have rifles. Go figure.

I think I'll start shopping for the most AWB compliant rifle I can find just for this aplication. Lets see, it'll need to have a nice soft wood stock. A brushed or blued metal finish, nothing black. Lever or bolt action. Fixed mag, not detachable. Holds 10 or fewer rounds. A modest scope. Registered with my insurence. I'll need to start buying a hunting license every year and take a few outdoorsy pics with this rifle somewhere in it. I'd like a real hunting rifle to have a suppressor & bipod but that brakes the AWB-compliant concept. Hmm what else....

Heres a tip: if you're planning out a way to get away with killing a human being, it's a murder fantasy. Seek help.
 
It would be nice if sometimes you would see a community erupt in outrage like this when someone shoots a police officer.
 
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*cracks knuckles*

Vandalism? Looting? Breaking into stores?

Get out the cuffs, fine these bastards, lock em up.

There is no need to be interested in why looting is their preferred method of protesting, there is only the need to put these people back in their places for being criminals.

Why waste the time, bring in a couple of gunships with mini-guns.
 
If a white kid was offed would anyone care?

Hypothetical white kid's hypothetical family would only hypothetically care if he was offed by a hypothetical black man. That's the hypothetically correct answer, right?
 
... then they should find a line of work better suited to their abilities.

Police departments are like the Catholic Church. Priests are trusted by the communities they service, so there are abundant opportunities to interact with children, making it an ideal profession for pedophilles. Better yet, the Church relies on its reputation to carry out its mission, so when the pedophille gets smoked out they rush to cover up in the name of their "greater good."

Police departments give power in the form of a badge and a gun, so that line of work is ideal for people who desire authority but never developed the moral discipline to use it properly. Police departments also rely on their reputation to carry out their mission, so when police fall pretty to their weak nature the department rushes to cover it up in the name of their "greater good."

There is a HUGE difference. Most neighborhoods need basically a small band of patrol officers. That neighborhood needs the 101st Airborne and a Special Ops unit.
 
Tear gas is a "chemical weapon" in the legal sense and I don't know how tear gas which is banned for use in combat can be used by police against civilians.

Not to split hairs, but I dont think tear gas per se, is not banned in combat. Rather, it is technically permissable so long as it is not used as a lethal asphixciant (thrown into bunkers where the people cannot get out and suffocate etc). It can be used to cover retreats etc.
 
Not to split hairs, but I dont think tear gas per se, is not banned in combat. Rather, it is technically permissable so long as it is not used as a lethal asphixciant (thrown into bunkers where the people cannot get out and suffocate etc). It can be used to cover retreats etc.

There's no need for tear gas, have you ever been hit by a rubber bullet coming out of the likes of an M1014?
 
Huh....violence and riots. And St Louis was such a clean and safe city before this tragedy........

:roll:
 
There's no need for tear gas, have you ever been hit by a rubber bullet coming out of the likes of an M1014?

No, but I saw rubber bullet at a police display once (very hard and dense rubber ball that looked like a musket ball. I think it even had a metal core), and that was enough to make me not want to get hit with one.
 
Places like this are why we're destined for a nation of drones and robocops in the not too distant future.
 
Why don't other races burn their own communities to the ground and steal everything they can grab??
 
Why don't other races burn their own communities to the ground and steal everything they can grab??

They aren't treated as poorly by the police.
 
They aren't treated as poorly by the police.


LOL !!

The claim that theyre mistreated disproportionately based on the color of their skin loses allot of its legitimacy after 3 straight nites of Looting, vandalism and violence.

Hey, can we blame Police mistreatmemt for whats happening in the South Side of Chicago ?
 
disgraceful, it solves nothing. The boy's name is being defamed even further. The whole discussion now is about the riots and not about the manner in which this guy was killed and that again helps no-one.

People are letting anger, profiteering and pure lust for violence rule their heads and do things that should not happen in a civilized soceity.

It's why we get a bad wrap.
 
After the 92' L.A. riots a lot of the looters returned the stuff they stole. They said they were just caught up in the moment.

L.A. Looters begin returning stolen goods

The Victoria Advocate - Google News Archive Search


Perhaps some people are just more prone to 'groupthink' than others.



I lived in L.A. during the 92 riots.....from my balcony I saw my neighbors kid come running home with a computer monitor that he had apparently stolen from a nearby Radio Shack. Then I heard shouting coming from their house. A few minutes later I saw the father holding his kid by the collar and walking him back up to the store to return it.
 
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LOL !!

The claim that theyre mistreated disproportionately based on the color of their skin loses allot of its legitimacy after 3 straight nites of Looting, vandalism and violence.

Hey, can we blame Police mistreatmemt for whats happening in the South Side of Chicago ?

I can't help but think about all the Libbo consternation about the Bundy ranch incident.
 
After the 92' L.A. riots a lot of the looters later returned the stuff they stole. They said they were just caught up in the moment.

L.A. Looters begin returning stolen goods

The Victoria Advocate - Google News Archive Search


Perhaps some people are more prone to 'groupthink' than others.



I lived in L.A. during the 92 riots.....from my balcony I saw my neighbors kid come running home with a computer monitor that he had apparently stolen from a nearby Radio Shack. Then I heard shouting coming from their house. A few minutes later I saw the father holding his kid by the collar and walking him back up to the store to return it.

That doesn't make it ok! Aren't YOU one of the folks that demanded the Bundy supporters all go to jail?
 
That cop's family deserves to be safe.

Yup. And there have been death threats, not only against him but others not involved as well. :shock:

Citing death threats, police won’t identify officer in Michael Brown shooting | myfox8.com

Despite cries of a cover-up, there’s good reason for the silence, local officials say. Since the shooting Saturday, police have received death threats against the officer, and it’s spread from there, Ferguson Mayor James W. Knowles said Wednesday on CNN’s “New Day.”

“Hackers have tried to find personal information and display it online on social media, asking people to target myself, council members, the police chief,” he said. “The county police chief’s own home was put on Instagram, and people (were) asked to go there and assault him.”
 
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