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Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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Maybe he's trying to find a pair of pants that fit.

That is a pair of pants that fit, to him.
 
If they have the vodka, why do they need the rest of it?

Dunno - TBH I never heard of LEAN - my wife told me about it and she works in the school system now. Vodka and Codine I would guess the vodka amplifies the codine effect... skittles.... maybe for flavoring or sweetener - Juice I would guess is just used as a mixer maybe? :shrug:
 
I went through 4 pages of pictures and I don't see this made up thug in Michael Brown.


Hey I got a challenge for you.

Find something about his character that was negative.... I mean this shouldn't be hard for a thug right?

Of course you didn't, but then you haven't been honest here (the gang sign thing) so I wouldn't have expected you would.
 
WOW, you must live in a bad neighborhood.

There have been some bad shoots over the years in surrounding areas.

I also have some cop friends, and get a lot of details from them about everything, both good and bad.
 
If what happened follows the version of events given by Johnson I believe the officer initially overreacted by grabbing at Brown. Brown then struggled against that overreaction and was shot. They both ran and Brown was shot a second time where he surrendered (put his hands up and went to his knees). If the officer had stopped there and just arrested Brown, it would have been an overreaction by the officer that would have been covered up by Brown's subsequent reaction. Once the officer approached a pacified Brown and fired several more shots, then it became murder.

That's if Johnson's version of events is correct. There is thus far no statement of events from the officer.
 
There are 2 aspects to this story.

1) It appears that the police officer committed a homicide, and the police are attempting to cover it up. Every single eyewitness statement contradicts the official story from the police department. The FBI is now investigating this as a civil rights violation, and I suspect that at least one officer is going to end up in prison. People have a right to be angry here.

2) However, that does not justify looting and burning your own neighborhood down. That is just plain idiotic, except to those who are criminals and see an opportunity to get themselves some free stuff. They should also be going to prison.
 
There are 2 aspects to this story.

1) It appears that the police officer committed a homicide, and the police are attempting to cover it up. Every single eyewitness statement contradicts the official story from the police department. The FBI is now investigating this as a civil rights violation, and I suspect that at least one officer is going to end up in prison. People have a right to be angry here.

2) However, that does not justify looting and burning your own neighborhood down. That is just plain idiotic, except to those who are criminals and see an opportunity to get themselves some free stuff. They should also be going to prison.

Can you fathom what a day's work in that neighborhood must be like for a police officer? It'd be like wandering the desert in Afghanistan.
 
Can you fathom what a day's work in that neighborhood must be like for a police officer? It'd be like wandering the desert in Afghanistan.

That's no excuse to be toasting civilians.
 
There are 2 aspects to this story.

1) It appears that the police officer committed a homicide, and the police are attempting to cover it up. Every single eyewitness statement contradicts the official story from the police department. The FBI is now investigating this as a civil rights violation, and I suspect that at least one officer is going to end up in prison. People have a right to be angry here.

2) However, that does not justify looting and burning your own neighborhood down. That is just plain idiotic, except to those who are criminals and see an opportunity to get themselves some free stuff. They should also be going to prison.

No dana, the eyewitnesses were drinking codeine and are thugs. This obviously means the young man had to have gone for the officers gun. :lol:
 
No, but I understand the skittishness.

... then they should find a line of work better suited to their abilities.

Police departments are like the Catholic Church. Priests are trusted by the communities they service, so there are abundant opportunities to interact with children, making it an ideal profession for pedophilles. Better yet, the Church relies on its reputation to carry out its mission, so when the pedophille gets smoked out they rush to cover up in the name of their "greater good."

Police departments give power in the form of a badge and a gun, so that line of work is ideal for people who desire authority but never developed the moral discipline to use it properly. Police departments also rely on their reputation to carry out their mission, so when police fall pretty to their weak nature the department rushes to cover it up in the name of their "greater good."
 
No dana, the eyewitnesses were drinking codeine and are thugs. This obviously means the young man had to have gone for the officers gun. :lol:

Maybe he did go for the cop's gun, but then he broke away and began running from the cop. I would be interested to find out where the youth was shot at, in the back, or the front?

As a side note here, no, burning and looting doesn't help the community at all, most probably wanted to torch the police station, but couldn't reach it or overpower the cops to get close to it.

There's a lot to this story we don't know yet, the cops are being tight lipped.
 
Maybe he did go for the cop's gun, but then he broke away and began running from the cop. I would be interested to find out where the youth was shot at, in the back, or the front?

As a side note here, no, burning and looting doesn't help the community at all, most probably wanted to torch the police station, but couldn't reach it or overpower the cops to get close to it.

There's a lot to this story we don't know yet, the cops are being tight lipped.

His friend says it was his back.
 
The city should impose a "riot tax" for any fiscal year in which a riot occures.
 
I assume that the people in here disparaging law enforcement, calling them "murderers", would never think of calling them if they were in a pinch.....
 
I assume that the people in here disparaging law enforcement, calling them "murderers", would never think of calling them if they were in a pinch.....

So because police services exist, I'm not allowed to criticize a police officer (allegedly) shooting an unarmed fleeing person in the back.

Interesting. What other aspects of authority am I never, ever allowed to question?

You've criticized the government before. I assume that you'd never interact with any government agency ever, right?

I'm sure J-mac has criticized Catholic priests who molest children. So he wouldn't ever think to go into a church or get married in one.

HSBC laundered money for terrorists and drug cartels, so nobody should ever use a bank if they would criticize such a thing.
 
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So because police services exist, I'm not allowed to criticize a police officer (allegedly) shooting an unarmed fleeing person in the back.

Interesting. What other aspects of authority am I never, ever allowed to question?

You've criticized the government before. I assume that you'd never interact with any government agency ever, right?

I'm sure J-mac has criticized Catholic priests who molest children. So he wouldn't ever think to go into a church or get married in one.

HSBC laundered money for terrorists and drug cartels, so nobody should ever use a bank if they would criticize such a thing.

As usual, your examples are extreme....Not meant to debate anything....Have fun with that.
 
As usual, your examples are extreme....Not meant to debate anything....Have fun with that.

Really? And what about your point? That wasn't extreme?

Cop shoots person in the back, I'm not allowed to criticize it because I also want cops to exist?

American soldier commits a war crime, do you criticize it? Or do you let it slide because you want the military to protect the nation?
 
Really? And what about your point? That wasn't extreme?

No, I don't think it was...I am not the one calling the cops "murderers" before an investigation, and trial are complete...

Cop shoots person in the back, I'm not allowed to criticize it because I also want cops to exist?

How do you know what the outcome of the investigation, or trial is? Calling your comment of "Cop shoots person in the back" a fact is premature, and you don't know. And sure you are allowed to criticize anything or anyone you want. This is a free country, but don't confuse criticism with false allegation...And as far as you 'wanting cops to exist', I'd have to question why if you think they are murderers?

American soldier commits a war crime, do you criticize it? Or do you let it slide because you want the military to protect the nation?

Clever...Can we stick to this incident please?
 
Probably why no person on an official level is speaking about it. Except they're protecting the cop's identity.

That cop's family deserves to be safe.
 
It's not self defence if I start it or if I go to them. It is self-defence if they come to me. I'll even post warning signs for 'no trespassing' & trespassers will be shot'.

Trespassing isn't justification either. If it was, damn solicitors wouldn't think of stepping on my yard.


Right. They have to also be comitting a feloney. Burning cars & buildings & looting are felonies. As with a any fist fight, I'll let them do a little damage first so my case looks better in court.

Yes, they have to commit a felony and rioting is not a felony out right. It's the other acts which are felonies, that makes rioting a felony. So your two example are very true. But there is two very different classification under the law. If they don't cause any damage over $500, and even then if it's 10 people who destroy a car with $5000 (Blue Book value), it comes down to how the DA charges those 10 people. DA could divided the damage cost or pin in on one person. You have no clue how the DA is charge those in that matter. Thus it makes self-defense laws a hard argument to make and extrajudicial in the case of a riot..


Oh I'm still in the service, but reservists are civilians, strictly speaking. Anyone not on active duty orders is a civilian.

Yes, I know how it works. Thank you for your service.


Rioters don't loiter. They riot. If they just lotered then they wouldn't be called rioters. They would be loiterers. I wouldn't fire on loiterers but it would be nice if civilians could buy tear gas. Strange that we can have the means to kill but not lesser non-lethal tools which might avoid killing at all. One tazer isn't going to disperse a bar fight. One lil can of OC isn't going to stop that mob from beating the crap out of that guy. A tear gas grenade or two, however, could....but civilians can't own that, but we have rifles. Go figure.

Ever seen a riot in person? Ever been part of a peaceful protest and the in snap of a finger in turn into a full-fledged riot? I have when I was a kid visiting grandparents in Northern Ireland during marching season (aka riot season) in 1980s and 1990s. Then in Dublin twice, once in 1995 (Ireland vs England) when Combat 18 (English neo-Nazi group) started **** and then the Dublin riots in 2006 in which CIRA and youths tore up O'Connell Street, Temple Bar area, Nassau street which are the "tourist stops" around Dublin. Most of the people involved loiter and watch. It's a few who actually riot, who pick up rocks, burn **** and destroy property. Those who do it are typical youths 16-22, some times younger who get egged on by friends and want to prove they belong or they are groups like Anarchist or "paramilitary" groups who use the "outrage" to get a whack in. So you have to realize there are two parts to a riot, those who watch it from the back (loiters) and the actors of violence.

Tear gas is a "chemical weapon" in the legal sense and I don't know how tear gas which is banned for use in combat can be used by police against civilians. But I understand where you coming from, it's probably the most safest of the bunch. But if it's sold to civilians, rioters can use it too. Nothing like a whole line of police officers who aren't expecting tear gas be effected by it and can't hold the line. But any "non-lethal" weapon has the ability to be lethal so I don't buy the distinction and again that comes from see what a rubber/plastic bullet or even a bean bag can do to a person. A bar fight is not your problem unless your a bouncer.


I think I'll start shopping for the most AWB compliant rifle I can find just for this aplication. Lets see, it'll need to have a nice soft wood stock. A brushed or blued metal finish, nothing black. Lever or bolt action. Fixed mag, not detachable. Holds 10 or fewer rounds. A modest scope. Registered with my insurence. I'll need to start buying a hunting license every year and take a few outdoorsy pics with this rifle somewhere in it. I'd like a real hunting rifle to have a suppressor & bipod but that brakes the AWB-compliant concept. Hmm what else....

LOL. I have no problem with weapons, be it firearms or whatever.. I have a problem when people call weapons non-lethal.
 
disgraceful, it solves nothing. The boy's name is being defamed even further. The whole discussion now is about the riots and not about the manner in which this guy was killed and that again helps no-one.

People are letting anger, profiteering and pure lust for violence rule their heads and do things that should not happen in a civilized soceity.
 
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