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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And given how we fund and run our educational system, that's a rather large long-shot.
    Funding and running has nothing to do with It.

    Its a cultural isssue.

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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Funding and running has nothing to do with It.

    Its a cultural isssue.
    Yes, it depends largely on how much the culture of the people being served by the schools actually values education.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Funding and running has nothing to do with It.

    Its a cultural isssue.
    It's not 1 variable. Pretending this is some form of linear, single variable problem is stupid.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not 1 variable. Pretending this is some form of linear, single variable problem is stupid.

    When inner city parents and inner city culture embrace and emphasize education over every all else, things will change.

    Upper class schools out perform inner city schools exponentially NOT because those schools are better funded.

    Their performance can be directly tied back to the culture of upper class areas and the families that live in those areas.

    Education is paramount and emphasized on a daily basis by parents who most likely possess College degrees.

    Kids are directed towards positive goals and activities when they're young and introduced to the prospects of higher education years before they head off to College.

    I know, its how I was raised.

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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    "Allegedly"??!!
    Allegedly yes, on video, and pictures....But, you're right...Since he is dead now, no trial will ensue for his 'alleged' robbery...But, as time goes on we shall see, because I am sure it will be a part of the defense of the police officer involved...Can I assume you will never acknowledge this happening, or Brown being involved?
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    When inner city parents and inner city culture embrace and emphasize education over every all else, things will change.

    Upper class schools out perform inner city schools exponentially NOT because those schools are better funded.

    Their performance can be directly tied back to the culture of upper class areas and the families that live in those areas.

    Education is paramount and emphasized on a daily basis by parents who most likely possess College degrees.

    Kids are directed towards positive goals and activities when they're young and introduced to the prospects of higher education years before they head off to College.

    I know, its how I was raised.
    Yes, culture and class are factors, which is why this isn't a 1/variable problem. Upper class schools are funded better with smaller class sizes and better access to resource; that too plays into the equation. Those with means and resource will be far more willing to interact "civilly" since everything is set up in their favor.
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    Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    His attacking an Officer would classify him as being a thug.
    Do we know he did that for a fact? Sorry but I only want to deal with facts. If he did I don't give do craps if the cop shot him. But i haven't seen that as a fact yet.

    His robbing would classify him as being a thug.
    Again. Not confirmed. Only deal with fact.

    And flashing crip sign when you are not, is enough to get one killed.
    So either he was, or was just one dumb son-of-a-bitch.
    You don't deal with his type much do you? You really put it passed some kid to be stupid and be a wannabe thug? It happens. A lot. Flashing gang signs doesn't make one a gang member and it is hardly justification to be shot.

    All it means is he is a dumb sob for flashing them.

    As for Trayvon, his behavior/actions was far from just being a wannabe.
    Trayvon was a punk. He was EXACTLY a thug wannabe. He would have got his ass kicked by anyone other than Zimmerman...who just happened to be another wannabe.

    Trayvon was small time. A little punk. All his crimes were petty BS crimes that he never got convicted of. And him trying to start a fight? That is...again...more evidence to me that he was nothing but a punk. Not saying he didn't deserve to get shot. Trayvon picked a fight with the wrong person. But hardly makes him a hardcore gangsta thug.

    I think what is needed here is a definition that everyone can agree on.
    Because both the individuals you mentioned have engaged in what can be defined as thug behavior.
    How about this. Being a kid making stupid decisions trying to be a "tough guy" makes you a punk. Makes you a wannabe. Actually being a gangbanger who kills people and deals drugs and I will call you a thug. Thug vs wannabe punk.


    And for clarification, not being in a gang, does not mean one is not a thug.
    Oh sure it does, when one flashes gang signs.


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    I'm defending the kid. I want the facts before I make the call. Just saying there is a good chance given our culture that he is just a wannabe. Nothin but a petty punk.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    What else can outsiders do for them? They have to take the reins and responsibility sometime.
    Economic disparity still exists and is not getting better.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    One isn't so credible, because he omitted the part where he may have been involved in a crime.
    Is the crime really relevant?
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Allegedly yes, on video, and pictures....But, you're right...Since he is dead now, no trial will ensue for his 'alleged' robbery...But, as time goes on we shall see, because I am sure it will be a part of the defense of the police officer involved...Can I assume you will never acknowledge this happening, or Brown being involved?
    One thing to consider is that a cop shouldn't be shooting someone dead over a robbery. At least if said person is unarmed. It is his job to arrest the guy for it. If he isn't capable of that...he has no business being a cop. So it really doesn't matter if this kid robbed the store or not.

    What matters is the circumstances around the shooting. Did he attack the cop? If so...grounds to kill him.

    Was he at a distance and unarmed? Then we gotta talk about how and why he got shot.
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