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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I've wondered how people justify looting, in their own minds, under any conditions! It's theft, plain and simple! All of us have been frustrated at some point in our lives, but frustration isn't relieved by doing this, but it is an opportunity to steal to get something for nothing. Those business owners had nothing to do with the shooting, yet their stores were ransacked and burned. Same when the levees failed during Katrina. Very sad to see....

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    When someone in a position like that sees an opportunity to exact a little revenge on society for all their ills they take it. They may as well take it too because at that point they have nothing to lose. Sure, they might get arrested but that isn't really a problem because they were never going to get a good job anyway. Furthermore, if they do get arrested that just confirms that they are victims of racial or ethnic bias like they have always been told.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Yes, I don't recall many educated, white, professional, women to the manor born rioting in America or anywhere else for that matter.
    I've also never seen any decent uneducated white men, or decent educated black men, or decent educated Asian women, or decent uneducated Spanish women, or decent educated Native American men, or decent black women rioting or looting, etc. etc. People who riot and loot aren't decent.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm confused. I hadn't heard that the young man killed in Ferguson was the victim of improperly used surplus military equipment.

    This sounds to me like another knee jerk reaction by a politician who feels every action requires an ignorant reaction from a politician.
    I think that he's responding to the response to the events subsequent to the shooting of the young man.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    After reading all of these posts denigrating policemen, I truly hope none of these people who detest them so much ever plan to use the services of these evil, rotten bullies in a time of need for themselves or their families.

    Its not that all cops are bad, but that the systems in place cover for them.

    I've heard it explained that admitting police wrongdoing creates mistrust and second guessing. But sweeping every misdeed under the rug makes those who witness such occurrences CERTAIN that the department in question is corrupt.

    So in order to save face with the population overall, they cause a few to turn against them for good every time they "let it slide".

    Police/public relationships would improve dramatically if cops who **** up were held strictly accountable.

    Hell, statistics involving complaints of abuse dropping dramatically when cops are required to wear cameras, as well as the aggressive ways they deal with those filming them in action speaks volumes as to how cops were behaving when no one was around to see.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The force would have to be 67% black officers to represent the community mix. Currently only 3 of the 53 officers are black.
    MO-Racial-makeup-of-Ferguson-police
    I specifically said NOT a quota system but a deliberate attempt to attract qualified candidates.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Its not that all cops are bad, but that the systems in place cover for them.

    I've heard it explained that admitting police wrongdoing creates mistrust and second guessing. But sweeping every misdeed under the rug makes those who witness such occurrences CERTAIN that the department in question is corrupt.

    So in order to save face with the population overall, they cause a few to turn against them for good every time they "let it slide".

    Police/public relationships would improve dramatically if cops who **** up were held strictly accountable.

    Hell, statistics involving complaints of abuse dropping dramatically when cops are required to wear cameras, as well as the aggressive ways they deal with those filming them in action speaks volumes as to how cops were behaving when no one was around to see.
    YOu can believe me when I say I have no love for cops, but having a bad cop here and there does NOT justify animalistic behavior. Supposedly, western civilization has moved beyond the point of monkey behaviors, and has the capability of resolving problems with intellect and reason. Sometimes bad **** happens, but that is no reason to turn into animals.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I specifically said NOT a quota system but a deliberate attempt to attract qualified candidates.
    And I posted a link, one of several available, that the Police Chief there has been working on that since he took over. They even raised salaries, but every time they get a black officer trained, they get headhunted by other departments with offers of even more pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Unarmed protestors exercising their first amendment rights don't throw firebombs and loot businesses. I find that disturbing.
    Unfortunately Wiggen set you up for that with his hyperbole. Have you ever seen photos of the riots in LA in the 60's and the dress and gear of the police responding to it then. That's how Americans should want our police to look and behave. If (IF) circumstances warrant more, bring in the NG, and then put them back away. Hell no, it was bull **** in Boston and its bull **** here. I'm glad the AG is speaking out against it and I'm glad somebody is proposing legislation to walk this bull**** back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    YOu can believe me when I say I have no love for cops, but having a bad cop here and there does NOT justify animalistic behavior. Supposedly, western civilization has moved beyond the point of monkey behaviors, and has the capability of resolving problems with intellect and reason. Sometimes bad **** happens, but that is no reason to turn into animals.
    I agree to a point. But when you know for a fact that no matter how badly individual cops behave they will NEVER be held accountable, civilized responses are worthless.

    And with the advent of less than lethal weapons, even simply gathering in the streets demanding something be done is met with casual overwhelming force. Which only escalates the situation.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I agree to a point. But when you know for a fact that no matter how badly individual cops behave they will NEVER be held accountable, civilized responses are worthless.

    And with the advent of less than lethal weapons, even simply gathering in the streets demanding something be done is met with casual overwhelming force. Which only escalates the situation.
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