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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    53 cops, of which 50 are white and 3 are black. Policing a population that is 70% African American. Cops generally aren't the most understanding people in the world, and their normal reaction is to shoot first and ask questions later. When the cop is white and the victim black, you get a reaction from people who are convinced the system is rigged against them. That you can't see that makes your lean of 'slightly conservative' to be an understatement.
    The above bolded part demonstrates the understatement of your own stated lean of "slightly liberal", and is an absurd characterization.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's what I see here too, ditto. This is an opportunity, an excuse. Unlike the riots during the civil rights era, they aren't fighting for anything. They aren't protesting anything. They are using this as an excuse to steal from others, and it's really a bit shocking to see many people attempting to justify this behavior.
    Exactly. If they want to protest what they see as, what most likely is, unjustified actions by the police, then let them picket, pack city hall meetings, write editorials and letters to the editor, demand that the cops involved be tried for murder. That sort of thing can result in positive changes. Stealing and vandalism doesn't justify anything.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I've wondered how people justify looting, in their own minds, under any conditions! It's theft, plain and simple! All of us have been frustrated at some point in our lives, but frustration isn't relieved by doing this, but it is an opportunity to steal to get something for nothing. Those business owners had nothing to do with the shooting, yet their stores were ransacked and burned. Same when the levees failed during Katrina. Very sad to see....
    It's because in our society, we have been made to feel guilty if someone is lacking in anything, no matter the reason for that being the case, and there has been a push for the past few decades to "equalize" the socioeconomic status of the masses, and make people who succeed feel guilty for doing so. That is how they justify it. It isn't "fair" that some people have more than others, so in their minds, looting is just people who have been unfairly treated, getting what is rightfully theirs. It's disgusting.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Works for me. Of course at some point somebody is going to have to answer the question of why an unarmed black kid walking away from the cops was shot multiple times. For some reason these kinds of issues never bother conservatives.
    Of course they do and that last is a ridiculous statement. And "at some point" is generally AFTER the investigation of the incident is concluded and not in response to riots and press field day.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's what I see here too, ditto. This is an opportunity, an excuse. Unlike the riots during the civil rights era, they aren't fighting for anything. They aren't protesting anything. They are using this as an excuse to steal from others, and it's really a bit shocking to see many people attempting to justify this behavior.
    I worked with a older black guy who was in Detroit when the 67 riots happened. He told me and I quote " those niggas was stealin TVs it had nothing to do with civil rights" so take that for whatever its worth.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh FFS, we all get angry and frustrated. I'm frustrated right now with one of my customers. And very angry about something they did. Should I go to their headquarters and start throwing things and wrecking the place?

    Normal, decent people control their anger and don't lash out. And the people in Ferguson aren't controlling their anger and frustration. That speaks volumes about them. There is NO excuse for this behavior - period.
    There is a point where said customer can continue to do major things to screw you over, cause you great aggravation, cost you money and possibly cause you a lot of personal grief to the point where you lose it. Some of how you deal with your customer is based on how your management will support you. If they completely sided with the account, if your people don't you to STFU and apologize, kiss ass, welcome such behavior in the future as long as you save the account you are a some point going to lose it. You probably have a lot of safety valves and losing it may take a long time. But you DO have a limit. We have all seen normal decent people lose it.

    Here's one of the problems of making black and white (pun intended) decisions. Issues are rarely black or white. You said the people involved in the protests in Ferguson are not normal, decent people. What we don't know is how they might have acted had a military force not responded under the guise of "police" and heavy handed and bullied the situation from day one.

    I'm not sure why the governor didn't step in until today. Protocol says it should go from city to county to state and then federal. It normally must follow that path, and it can proceed quickly if need be. The local police were obviously out of their league from the start. What do police these days do when they want to control they often use sudden brute force, more than necessary. That is what happened on the police side of the issue in Ferguson. It exacerbated the situation. It threw fuel on the fire. It made it all much worse and quickly. And then the police made it worse again. Local community leaders, calmer minds of respect community voices didn't have time to respond.

    There have been "un-normal" and "un-decent" acts on both sides of the situation. We will no doubt find that loads of mistakes were made on both sides. The police should be trained not to make the monumental that were made.










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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Far too many cops are nothing more than thugs with badges. They overreact and often resort to far more force than is necessary to control a situation. You only have to read a newspaper - any paper anywhere in the country - to understand that. It attracts a certain kind of person, and often these are bullies who enjoy exercising power on the powerless.
    Again, your statement says far more about you than it does the police.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    There is a point where said customer can continue to do major things to screw you over, cause you great aggravation, cost you money and possibly cause you a lot of personal grief to the point where you lose it. Some of how you deal with your customer is based on how your management will support you. If they completely sided with the account, if your people don't you to STFU and apologize, kiss ass, welcome such behavior in the future as long as you save the account you are a some point going to lose it. You probably have a lot of safety valves and losing it may take a long time. But you DO have a limit. We have all seen normal decent people lose it.

    Here's one of the problems of making black and white (pun intended) decisions. Issues are rarely black or white. You said the people involved in the protests in Ferguson are not normal, decent people. What we don't know is how they might have acted had a military force not responded under the guise of "police" and heavy handed and bullied the situation from day one.

    I'm not sure why the governor didn't step in until today. Protocol says it should go from city to county to state and then federal. It normally must follow that path, and it can proceed quickly if need be. The local police were obviously out of their league from the start. What do police these days do when they want to control they often use sudden brute force, more than necessary. That is what happened on the police side of the issue in Ferguson. It exacerbated the situation. It threw fuel on the fire. It made it all much worse and quickly. And then the police made it worse again. Local community leaders, calmer minds of respect community voices didn't have time to respond.

    There have been "un-normal" and "un-decent" acts on both sides of the situation. We will no doubt find that loads of mistakes were made on both sides. The police should be trained not to make the monumental that were made.
    There is no excuse for their behavior, period. None. The only ones who have a reason and a right to be angry, frustrated or anything right now is the family of the man who was shot.

    I have never seen normal decent people act like this. Yes, I have a limit. I also don't loot and riot.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And what you don't get is any concept of why the riot occurred. To you it's just another bunch of out of control black people that need to be kept in their place.
    It IS a bunch of out of control PEOPLE that need to be put back in their place. Why the riot occurred has very little to do with the shooting, that is the reason for the peaceful protests and calls for investigation. The riots are caused by anger and greed. Not anything you would defend if it were your community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I've wondered how people justify looting, in their own minds, under any conditions! It's theft, plain and simple! All of us have been frustrated at some point in our lives, but frustration isn't relieved by doing this, but it is an opportunity to steal to get something for nothing. Those business owners had nothing to do with the shooting, yet their stores were ransacked and burned. Same when the levees failed during Katrina. Very sad to see....

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