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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
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    Old school... so old school that there are black and white pictures of people doing it. I'm not interested in stuff so old most of the people who praise it are on the verge of dying.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Whew. I thought what body snatcher got Hatuey?
    Explain to me then, because this is something that I've always been curious about and honestly don't understand, did blacks during the Rodney King Riot hit the Korean district so hard?

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Explain to me then, because this is something that I've always been curious about and honestly don't understand, did blacks during the Rodney King Riot hit the Korean district so hard?
    Mostly this:

    1992 Los Angeles riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A year prior to the Los Angeles riots, storekeeper Soon Ja Du argued with ninth-grader Latasha Harlins over whether the 15-year-old had been trying to steal a bottle of orange juice from Empire Liquor, the store Du's family owned in Compton. After a brief fight, Du shot and killed Harlins. (Security tape showed the girl was still clutching $2 in her hand when investigators arrived.) Du was convicted of voluntary manslaughter but not sentenced to any prison time.[53] This was the catalyst that fueled much of the rage against Koreans and Korean storeowners in the Los Angeles community. Racial tensions had been simmering underneath the surface for several years. Many African-Americans were angry toward a growing Korean merchant community in South Central Los Angeles earning a living in their communities, and felt disrespected and looked down on by many Korean merchants. Cultural differences and a language barrier further fueled tensions in an already fragile environment. With the acquittal of four LAPD officers in the Rodney King beating trial and the aftermath of the Soon Ja Du trial where she was sentenced to probation for killing Latasha Harlins, the Los Angeles riots ensued and much of the anger was directed at Koreans.
    It's kind of sad. Blacks really have gotten the end of the short stick when it comes to self defense. I for one am starting to support the second amendment and CCW rights because of it. Let's see how the law works when everyone is allowed to kill everyone without repercussion.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And when they get that, they'll demand a conviction...mob rule.
    In some circles it's called exercising first and second amendment rights. Because of this killing, gun sales are on the rise in St. Louis and I shouldn't have to tell you who is buying them and why. That should make NRA members feel safer, eh?


    The cops in both this and the Gardner case instigated and escalated the situation. Imo, there should be convictions because it sure as hell wasn't self defense.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Mostly this:

    1992 Los Angeles riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's kind of sad. Blacks really have gotten the end of the short stick when it comes to self defense. I for one am starting to support the second amendment and CCW rights because of it. Let's see how the law works when everyone is allowed to kill everyone without repercussion.
    I'd knew there was racial tensions but what I don't get is that, the officers in the Rodney King beating weren't Korean though right? They also didn't riot when that happened right? I just don't get the timing of it. White guy kills a black guy, so let's go pay back the Koreans for last year? Know what I mean?

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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    Im sure someone will try to peg me as racist.... But it fits the bill for the rioting situation like no other.....
    Yep, that's racist.

    White people riot too. Except it's over even stupider things like Guns N Roses not going on stage or the Vancouver Canucks losing the Stanley Cup Finals.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Old school... so old school that there are black and white pictures of people doing it. I'm not interested in stuff so old most of the people who praise it are on the verge of dying.
    Meh...it's like jeans and t-shirts. Some things never go out of style.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    True Story Time!!!

    So there I was in Police Academy back in 2006 and we were doing some of our "scenario training", so there I was backup officer on this scenario and the primary, a retired Air Force "Security Police" NCO, had worked through the scenario and gotten to a point where use of deadly force was required, and he "bang bang bang"-ed off a few simulated shots and stopped, and then got heckled by one of the Officer/instructors about stopping shooting so soon, so he sarcastically continued "Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang" then motioned a "simulated" magazine change, and started yelling bang bang bang bang again until they had to yell over him to stop.

    So, just a nice little anecdotal story to go along with what clownboy stated in his post that you quoted.
    Nice story. Was Godzilla in the simulation?
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'd knew there was racial tensions but what I don't get is that, the officers in the Rodney King beating weren't Korean though right? They also didn't riot when that happened right? I just don't get the timing of it. White guy kills a black guy, so let's go pay back the Koreans for last year? Know what I mean?
    As a former resident of the Compton area and someone who was in the city at the time, I can tell you it doesn't really matter. Racial tensions tend to work over decades. The Irish/Polish were mistreated for only 20 years before they finally decided they weren't taking that **** and burnt down half of NYC over the Civil War draft. Gangs of New York did a ****ty job at explaining it but really, it was a lot of things grouped together and the catalyst spread out the mess. It's not supposed to make sense because it doesn't. However, it's just more proof that history is not a sequence of events that are only lightly related. Specially when it comes to race and culture. These things have decades and centuries of history sometimes. Muslims and Jews don't hate each other because of those 3 kids that were killed. They hated each other for 1500 years. The dead kids? That's just icing on the cake. Likewise the Hutu and Tutsi violence isn't "spontaneous". The Tutsis also did their share of massacres and oppression. The Hutus never forgot. I've been arguing for years that there needs to be some sort of open All-American discussion on this matter. Wrongs need to be aired out and people from both sides need to admit that certain actions were wrong and discuss how we can better the situation. However, everyone is too concerned with how they'll look if they admit that slavery was wrong or that maybe rioting after the Rodney King trial wasn't a great idea.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    You assume a lot. You assume that it is a fact that he was shot that many times. I assert that he might have been shot 9 times, or 5 times, or 13 times. Nobody knows for sure. The guy in the youtube video might be right or he might be wrong. I can wait for the official report to find out. I kinda like facts. I guess I am funny that way.

    You also assume that all police officers are good with their weapons. That isn't necessarily true. I was a marksmanship trainer for about 5 years. Some of our folks were law enforcement. They weren't any better than our average soldier as far as accuracy goes.

    As for how many rounds it might take down a person, there is no set count. To answer this question you have to take into account the clothing they are wearing (jacket, thick cloth, leather, cotton), the bullet that is used, the speed the bullet is traveling, length of the barrel (will affect speed, longer faster, shorter slower), the point of impact on the person, if the person even realizes they have been shot, the efficiency of the shooter, the caliber of the bullet, the structure of the bullet (soft tipped hollow point, regular hollow point, ball ammo, copper jacketed, full lead, wad cutter). This is just the bullet side of the equation. Then one has to start taking into account all the physical variables of the person shot. So, there is not magic answer to your question. It takes what it takes.

    One problem with some police is that they usually rely on one person to set the standard for the weapons that are used and the ammo for those weapons. Sometimes the person that sets the standards doesn't know much about ballistics. In the early 90's the tacticool round was supposed to be a 9mm 147 grain Hydrashok. That round sucks unless a person is counting on penetration, such as through windshields, car doors or leather jackets. More penetration means the round is heavier and usually travels slower. That means less temporary wound cavity. Less temporary wound cavity is great for causing stopping damage.

    Then there are the variables of torso density, size, did the round strike bone or not, did it deflect. What is the person's mental state. I know folks that have been shot and didn't even notice it until it was pointed out to them.

    All summed up I think you assume too much. I think you need more facts. I am not defending the police, just pointing out that people go off half cocked and make wrong assumptions. The Denver Police Dept. is a good example of why I tend to judge police by what I know about them personally. All the uniform/badge tells me is that they are authorized to wear a uniform/badge. It doesn't mean they are good or bad, it just means they are in a uniform.

    Back to rioting. There is a pattern I have noticed about rioting. It is usually a shooting that starts it and it is usually a shooting that ends it. There isn't any reason or rationale for rioting. Only scum bags riot.
    My father was also a marksmanship trainer too. You obviously know what you are talking about when it comes to ammo. Police around here are required to qualify regularly.

    With that said, I don't think it really matters what grain or load you use when shooting an unarmed man running away from you. From what I understand, his body was 35 ft. from the car, where the altercation started. He was unarmed. While I am assuming things, I assume that the eyewitnesses probably have that part correct. It's not like they all got together and got their story straight because he was the first man the police in St. Louis have ever shot and killed.
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