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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    His friend says it was his back.
    Probably why no person on an official level is speaking about it. Except they're protecting the cop's identity.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Probably why no person on an official level is speaking about it. Except they're protecting the cop's identity.
    That cop's family deserves to be safe.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's not self defence if I start it or if I go to them. It is self-defence if they come to me. I'll even post warning signs for 'no trespassing' & trespassers will be shot'.
    Trespassing isn't justification either. If it was, damn solicitors wouldn't think of stepping on my yard.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right. They have to also be comitting a feloney. Burning cars & buildings & looting are felonies. As with a any fist fight, I'll let them do a little damage first so my case looks better in court.
    Yes, they have to commit a felony and rioting is not a felony out right. It's the other acts which are felonies, that makes rioting a felony. So your two example are very true. But there is two very different classification under the law. If they don't cause any damage over $500, and even then if it's 10 people who destroy a car with $5000 (Blue Book value), it comes down to how the DA charges those 10 people. DA could divided the damage cost or pin in on one person. You have no clue how the DA is charge those in that matter. Thus it makes self-defense laws a hard argument to make and extrajudicial in the case of a riot..


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    Rioters don't loiter. They riot. If they just lotered then they wouldn't be called rioters. They would be loiterers. I wouldn't fire on loiterers but it would be nice if civilians could buy tear gas. Strange that we can have the means to kill but not lesser non-lethal tools which might avoid killing at all. One tazer isn't going to disperse a bar fight. One lil can of OC isn't going to stop that mob from beating the crap out of that guy. A tear gas grenade or two, however, could....but civilians can't own that, but we have rifles. Go figure.
    Ever seen a riot in person? Ever been part of a peaceful protest and the in snap of a finger in turn into a full-fledged riot? I have when I was a kid visiting grandparents in Northern Ireland during marching season (aka riot season) in 1980s and 1990s. Then in Dublin twice, once in 1995 (Ireland vs England) when Combat 18 (English neo-Nazi group) started **** and then the Dublin riots in 2006 in which CIRA and youths tore up O'Connell Street, Temple Bar area, Nassau street which are the "tourist stops" around Dublin. Most of the people involved loiter and watch. It's a few who actually riot, who pick up rocks, burn **** and destroy property. Those who do it are typical youths 16-22, some times younger who get egged on by friends and want to prove they belong or they are groups like Anarchist or "paramilitary" groups who use the "outrage" to get a whack in. So you have to realize there are two parts to a riot, those who watch it from the back (loiters) and the actors of violence.

    Tear gas is a "chemical weapon" in the legal sense and I don't know how tear gas which is banned for use in combat can be used by police against civilians. But I understand where you coming from, it's probably the most safest of the bunch. But if it's sold to civilians, rioters can use it too. Nothing like a whole line of police officers who aren't expecting tear gas be effected by it and can't hold the line. But any "non-lethal" weapon has the ability to be lethal so I don't buy the distinction and again that comes from see what a rubber/plastic bullet or even a bean bag can do to a person. A bar fight is not your problem unless your a bouncer.


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    LOL. I have no problem with weapons, be it firearms or whatever.. I have a problem when people call weapons non-lethal.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    That cop's family deserves to be safe.
    I'll agree with that.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    disgraceful, it solves nothing. The boy's name is being defamed even further. The whole discussion now is about the riots and not about the manner in which this guy was killed and that again helps no-one.

    People are letting anger, profiteering and pure lust for violence rule their heads and do things that should not happen in a civilized soceity.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, they have to commit a felony and rioting is not a felony out right. It's the other acts which are felonies, that makes rioting a felony. So your two example are very true. But there is two very different classification under the law. If they don't cause any damage over $500, and even then if it's 10 people who destroy a car with $5000 (Blue Book value), it comes down to how the DA charges those 10 people. DA could divided the damage cost or pin in on one person. You have no clue how the DA is charge those in that matter. Thus it makes self-defense laws a hard argument to make and extrajudicial in the case of a riot..
    That's if you're going to sue someone. I'm not talking about suing them, I'm talking about shooting them. We had a thread on this law in the past, and here's an article discussing it: http://m.stltoday.com/news/opinion/m...ile_touch=true

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Ever seen a riot in person?
    The LA riot and the Bagram Qur'an burning riot.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Ever been part of a peaceful protest...
    I don't protest, I think it's dumb. I don't boycot, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Nothing like a whole line of police officers who aren't expecting tear gas be effected by it and can't hold the line.
    Riot police wear gas masks for that very reason. Tear gas grenades to not distinguish between cop's eyes and rioter's eyes.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I don't think it was...I am not the one calling the cops "murderers" before an investigation, and trial are complete...



    How do you know what the outcome of the investigation, or trial is? Calling your comment of "Cop shoots person in the back" a fact is premature, and you don't know. And sure you are allowed to criticize anything or anyone you want. This is a free country, but don't confuse criticism with false allegation...And as far as you 'wanting cops to exist', I'd have to question why if you think they are murderers?



    Clever...Can we stick to this incident please?
    Still dodging the underlying point. You're saying I can't criticize police actions if I ever plan to call them.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's not self defence if I start it or if I go to them. It is self-defence if they come to me. I'll even post warning signs for 'no trespassing' & trespassers will be shot'.


    Right. They have to also be comitting a feloney. Burning cars & buildings & looting are felonies. As with a any fist fight, I'll let them do a little damage first so my case looks better in court.


    Oh I'm still in the service, but reservists are civilians, strictly speaking. Anyone not on active duty orders is a civilian.


    Rioters don't loiter. They riot. If they just lotered then they wouldn't be called rioters. They would be loiterers. I wouldn't fire on loiterers but it would be nice if civilians could buy tear gas. Strange that we can have the means to kill but not lesser non-lethal tools which might avoid killing at all. One tazer isn't going to disperse a bar fight. One lil can of OC isn't going to stop that mob from beating the crap out of that guy. A tear gas grenade or two, however, could....but civilians can't own that, but we have rifles. Go figure.

    I think I'll start shopping for the most AWB compliant rifle I can find just for this aplication. Lets see, it'll need to have a nice soft wood stock. A brushed or blued metal finish, nothing black. Lever or bolt action. Fixed mag, not detachable. Holds 10 or fewer rounds. A modest scope. Registered with my insurence. I'll need to start buying a hunting license every year and take a few outdoorsy pics with this rifle somewhere in it. I'd like a real hunting rifle to have a suppressor & bipod but that brakes the AWB-compliant concept. Hmm what else....
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    It would be nice if sometimes you would see a community erupt in outrage like this when someone shoots a police officer.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    *cracks knuckles*

    Vandalism? Looting? Breaking into stores?

    Get out the cuffs, fine these bastards, lock em up.

    There is no need to be interested in why looting is their preferred method of protesting, there is only the need to put these people back in their places for being criminals.
    Why waste the time, bring in a couple of gunships with mini-guns.
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