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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Police should respond to riots with lethal force.

    No tear gas, no rubber bullets...just an audible warning and a little time to disperse, then sharpshooters engage people activly destroying property or looting. A gun-cam to confirm each shot.

    You want to have a march? Some peacfull civil disobedience? A demonstration? No problem, more power to you.

    Riot & die.
    Police have no right to respond with lethal force, period. That would be extrajudicial and unconstitutional in the US and it actually serves no purpose but to inflame the situation even more. You can ask Brits, Ukrainians, Egyptians, Iranians (under the Shah), Romanians, Tunisians and another dozen examples in history (including the Boston Massacre) how it works out for the Governments who justify killing those who "riot".
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Police have no right to respond with lethal force, period. That would be extrajudicial and unconstitutional in the US and it actually serves no purpose but to inflame the situation even more. You can ask Brits, Ukrainians, Egyptians, Iranians (under the Shah), Romanians, Tunisians and another dozen examples in history (including the Boston Massacre) how it works out for the Governments who justify killing those who "riot".
    I'm not the government, I'm a private citizen, and I say kill them, or lead them to my house and I'll kill them.

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not the government, I'm a private citizen, and I say kill them, or lead them to my house and I'll kill them.
    And where did I say you were the government? I am only pointing out if police had that right it would be illegal and stupid. Btw, police would probably shoot you too as you'd be using a firearm and committing murder.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And where did I say you were the government? I am only pointing out if police had that right it would be illegal and stupid. Btw, police would probably shoot you too as you'd be using a firearm and committing murder.
    It's self defence if they're rioting on my property. Or do you not know enough about the topic to have caught that? You have to know how to trick people into giving you legal cause in order to get away with it. So since police are to wimpy and chicken **** to actualy do their job and put rioters down, bring them to me and I'll do it. The Army taught me very well.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's self defence if they're rioting on my property. Or do you not know enough about the topic to have caught that? So since police are to wimpy and chicken **** to actualy do their job and put rioters down, bring them to me and I'll do it. The Army taught me very well.
    It's not self-defense, if you seek engagement. Someone being on your property is not justification under the self-defense laws even in the most conservative states. I am sure the Army taught you how to kill, taught my brother the same thing but again, as you said you are a civilian now so you have to follow the law. Now go back and read your state's self-defense law and see if you are justified shooting someone who is loitering and not trying to enter your home.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It's not self-defense, if you seek engagement.
    It's not self defence if I start it or if I go to them. It is self-defence if they come to me. I'll even post warning signs for 'no trespassing' & trespassers will be shot'.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Someone being on your property is not justification under the self-defense laws even in the most conservative states.
    Right. They have to also be comitting a feloney. Burning cars & buildings & looting are felonies. As with a any fist fight, I'll let them do a little damage first so my case looks better in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    I am sure the Army taught you how to kill, taught my brother the same thing but again, as you said you are a civilian now so you have to follow the law.
    Oh I'm still in the service, but reservists are civilians, strictly speaking. Anyone not on active duty orders is a civilian.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Now go back and read your state's self-defense law and see if you are justified shooting someone who is loitering and not trying to enter your home.
    Rioters don't loiter. They riot. If they just lotered then they wouldn't be called rioters. They would be loiterers. I wouldn't fire on loiterers but it would be nice if civilians could buy tear gas. Strange that we can have the means to kill but not lesser non-lethal tools which might avoid killing at all. One tazer isn't going to disperse a bar fight. One lil can of OC isn't going to stop that mob from beating the crap out of that guy. A tear gas grenade or two, however, could....but civilians can't own that, but we have rifles. Go figure.

    I think I'll start shopping for the most AWB compliant rifle I can find just for this aplication. Lets see, it'll need to have a nice soft wood stock. A brushed or blued metal finish, nothing black. Lever or bolt action. Fixed mag, not detachable. Holds 10 or fewer rounds. A modest scope. Registered with my insurence. I'll need to start buying a hunting license every year and take a few outdoorsy pics with this rifle somewhere in it. I'd like a real hunting rifle to have a suppressor & bipod but that brakes the AWB-compliant concept. Hmm what else....
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And where did I say you were the government? I am only pointing out if police had that right it would be illegal and stupid. Btw, police would probably shoot you too as you'd be using a firearm and committing murder.

    Lets say a horde of thugs just ransacked the Grocery store down the street from your neighborhood.

    Right after they set the place on fire they head down Mainstreat directly towards your neighborhood.

    You know they're coming and you know their intentions so what are you allowed to do to defend your property and Family ?

    I can tell you what my neighbor's would do. They would empty their well stocked gun safes and arm themselves and chances are they wouldn't wait for absolute legal justification to use those weapons.

    The Status quo for dealing with rioters seems to be centered around discretion. Its a ridiculous and dangerous policy.

    Give them enough room and time to get it out of their systems and all at the expense of the law abiding populace.

    Because the advantage of discretion is always given to the rioting Mob, NOT to the people who are targeted, not to the shops, not to the public in general.

    IMO Laws for self defense and the ability to use deadly force to protect yourself and your family should be relaxed during a riot.

    I saw a video of 3 or 4 rioters jumping up and down on the hood of a occupied vehicle in traffic.

    The guy just sat there in his car, scared I'm sure hoping they wouldn't drag him out so he could be the next Reginald Denny.
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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Time for buisness owners to arm and kill rioters in the act.
    I don't know the laws in Missouri but that's certainly an option. As was already stated earlier in this thread, looters are hurting the family of the victim and hurting their own community they live in by acting out violently. What is interesting in our society is that at some level, such illegality as looting is tolerated. The thought that police who are being scrutinized (now by the Feds) will look the other way instead of arresting or defending private property such as these stores. The thought may be "Oh well, let them loot because if we arrest or God forbid, shoot one of the looters it will only make the violence and acting out even worse." So the looters get a free pass. If a store owner shoots a looter, wouldn't that also compound the violence and incite more violence?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm not the government, I'm a private citizen, and I say kill them, or lead them to my house and I'll kill them.
    So by your words you want to set them up so you have a reason to kill???

    Are you listening to yourself?

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