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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Things are going swimmingly up here - Harper's government is running a surplus and they're in discussion determining how big a tax break Canadians will get next year. Canada is a leader in the G20, etc. Life is good.

    Gives me lots of time to tune in to the American follies.
    Nice for you. We haven't had that luxury since...............I can't remember.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I chewed and spit it out since it has zero relevance to the situation in Ferguson.
    Wrong, it was stated by him in an interview when asked about Ferguson. However, even if it hadn't been, its directly relevant.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, I am not one that is always running around and sticking up for the Police.....but then what about L.A. 1997?



    1997 North Hollywood shootout: Two bank robbers, covered from head to toe in body armor, were able to engage officers for an hour long gun battle. Three hundred and fifty officers of the Los Angeles Police Department responded to the call. The shootout resulted in 11 injured LAPD officers and seven injured civilians.....snip~
    So, you're a supporter of the militarisation of the American police forces, because of a story or two that you can dredge up from history. I only hope legislation gets passed to put the breaks on this ****. I'm pro constitution and value civil liberties.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    SWAT doesn't patrol our streets every day. They're kept on a shelf for certain situations, educate yourself.
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    Stop talking about things you have no knowledge of. Without google, do you know when SWAT was created and why? And sense you don't know what a militarised police force looks like, I authorise you to use google and look at what was brought out in Boston last year, and if you like that, then you probably liked the STASI!
    The average cop on the streets doesn't go around looking like that. The problem with the militarization of police forces today doesn't stem from the equipment they use, but in how it's used. In this, Rabidapalcha made a very good point:

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    While yes, I agree that our police need special weapons and tactics to react to certain scenarios, it has become for many police departments the standard reaction to just about anything. SWAT is being used constantly in no-knock raids, breaking doors/walls in the middle of the night to flash bang babies, shoot dogs, and drag the "perp" out into the street, when often times he wasn't the even the person growing the plant in the first place.

    Over the past few decades the militaristic capabilities of police departments has grown exponentially, but accountability and responsibility has plummeted. It's a dangerous combination and I think you know that. When police are firing on citizens less discriminately and with looser ROE than soldiers in afghanistan, something is wrong.
    Even without getting equipment from the military, there still able to accomplish all of the things that Rabid listed and there in lies the real problem. Think of it another way, if the Police didn't do the above, but had the same equipment they did today, would you still have the same issues?

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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The average cop on the streets doesn't go around looking like that. The problem with the militarization of police forces today doesn't stem from the equipment they use, but in how it's used. In this, Rabidapalcha made a very good point:



    Even without getting equipment from the military, there still able to accomplish all of the things that Rabid listed and there in lies the real problem. Think of it another way, if the Police didn't do the above, but had the same equipment they did today, would you still have the same issues?
    I agree with RA, but more importantly, I agree with the retired Cops that are speaking out AGAINST the militarisation of the police.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So, you're a supporter of the militarisation of the American police forces, because of a story or two that you can dredge up from history. I only hope legislation gets passed to put the breaks on this ****. I'm pro constitution and value civil liberties.

    They were Militarized when they came up with SWAT Teams a long time ago. But not all towns and cities nor Sherriffs are Militarized, other than having matching fire power of whats being brought to bear on them. Most of the times.....you would have to say Sherriffs can be outgunned on the spot.

    Major Urban Cities like Chicago.....yeah they are militarized. Not to many peoples liking either. Especially when you add corruption with LE's.

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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I agree with RA, but more importantly, I agree with the retired Cops that are speaking out AGAINST the militarisation of the police.
    Then I agree with both of you. As I said in response to RA, that's why I was glad to see this:

    Man who shot at cops acquitted

    To be clear then, it's not as much the gear, but the tactics that bother you the most?

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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Then I agree with both of you. As I said in response to RA, that's why I was glad to see this:

    Man who shot at cops acquitted

    To be clear then, it's not as much the gear, but the tactics that bother you the most?
    Well sure the tactics that are facilitated by the gear.

    Let the retired police chief from Minneapolis tell it.

    "If you come out in the turtle gear and the head gear and the face mask and the riot sticks -- you're dressed for a fight and you're probably going to get one," Dolan said.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Let me know when you're assigned the task of making the rules on this site and I'll hop right to following your instructions. Until then, I'll limit myself to being constrained by the actual inane rules that do exist.
    Not talking about rules. But I knew you couldn't defend your false claim.
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    Re: Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well sure the tactics that are facilitated by the gear.

    Let the retired police chief from Minneapolis tell it.

    "If you come out in the turtle gear and the head gear and the face mask and the riot sticks -- you're dressed for a fight and you're probably going to get one," Dolan said.
    But as we both know, most police officers don't answer calls dressed in combat gear though. Watch the show Cops? They don't ever look like what that police chief described.

    In the case of Riot Police, which seems to be your major concern and not SWAT teams, they only come out when things have gotten out of control and your beat cops can't handle the problem with current gear, and SWAT isn't large enough to do so. Let me ask you this; what's the difference in a bunch of NG walking around in riot gear, as opposed to those same beat cops (that in an ideal world already have connections with the community) walking about in the same riot gear?

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