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    Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Reuters, quoting an interview with The Atlantic:

    Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    "The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad - there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle - the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled," Clinton said.
    Asked about Obama's slogan of "Don’t do stupid stuff" to describe his foreign policy thinking, Clinton said, "Great nations need organizing principles, and 'Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle."
    She directly seems to attribute the rise of ISIS to Obama's refusal to arm the Syrian rebels, which she was for.

    She may have a point. I'm not sure if it would have worked, since it was hard to identify who should be armed, and they might easily turn against us afterwards.

    Regardless of her having a point or not, it is disgraceful that for election advantage, she is now spitting at an administration she was a part of.

    On the other hand, regardless of her antics, it is clear to me at this point that the Obama doctrine of non-intervention in foreign affairs is a disgrace. He is proving to be one of the worst US presidents in history, and the entire world is about to pay the price. No, I don't want the US to be the police of the world, but we can't disengage abruptly without a solidly supported international order to keep things going. We were fulfilling this role; we suddenly withdrew, and now the world is a mess.

    By the way, we won't fix the ISIS mess with three airstrike sorties, taking down one convoy and one artillery piece. Obama's wishy-washy half-baked commitment will not solve anything.

    I say so in spite of having voted for Obama twice, something I now regret and am ashamed of. Not that the alternatives were any good, anyway, but by now I'm sick and tired of Obama and wish he'd resign.

    Anyway, I'm packing too much into this original post (because I'm so frustrated with Obama). Maybe we should just discuss what Hillary said - does she have a point, and is it disgraceful to speak up against her former boss (in order to earn votes)?

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    So stupid. The bulk of the syrian rebels are ISIS. So arming them more than they have already been supplied with would just result in a stronger ISIS today.

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    Sure, why not arm the Syrian rebels? It's either us or some other country (because they WILL be supplied), so we might as well get the money. As for arming them to stop ISIS?
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Reuters, quoting an interview with The Atlantic:

    Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    She directly seems to attribute the rise of ISIS to Obama's refusal to arm the Syrian rebels, which she was for.

    She may have a point. I'm not sure if it would have worked, since it was hard to identify who should be armed, and they might easily turn against us afterwards.

    Regardless of her having a point or not, it is disgraceful that for election advantage, she is now spitting at an administration she was a part of.

    On the other hand, regardless of her antics, it is clear to me at this point that the Obama doctrine of non-intervention in foreign affairs is a disgrace. He is proving to be one of the worst US presidents in history, and the entire world is about to pay the price. No, I don't want the US to be the police of the world, but we can't disengage abruptly without a solidly supported international order to keep things going. We were fulfilling this role; we suddenly withdrew, and now the world is a mess.

    By the way, we won't fix the ISIS mess with three airstrike sorties, taking down one convoy and one artillery piece. Obama's wishy-washy half-baked commitment will not solve anything.

    I say so in spite of having voted for Obama twice, something I now regret and am ashamed of. Not that the alternatives were any good, anyway, but by now I'm sick and tired of Obama and wish he'd resign.

    Anyway, I'm packing too much into this original post (because I'm so frustrated with Obama). Maybe we should just discuss what Hillary said - does she have a point, and is it disgraceful to speak up against her former boss (in order to earn votes)?

    Opinions?
    Don't understand me wrong. Obama is not my hero and he has been pretty bad in many of his actions out there and has done real damage with his silly red lines that he was not willing to back up, when his bluff was called. He did badly in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

    But there is a redeeming feature that is very, very important. I think he is also doing this less than optimally, but he is making it clear to our allies in Europe that he is there to help but that they must learn to take the costs both in treasure and bodies of their own security in the international arena and that the US will no longer sign the bill alone.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Anyway, I'm packing too much into this original post (because I'm so frustrated with Obama). Maybe we should just discuss what Hillary said - does she have a point, and is it disgraceful to speak up against her former boss (in order to earn votes)?

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    What "votes?" Is she going to run for presidency?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Don't understand me wrong. Obama is not my hero and he has been pretty bad in many of his actions out there and has done real damage with his silly red lines that he was not willing to back up, when his bluff was called. He did badly in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

    But there is a redeeming feature that is very, very important. I think he is also doing this less than optimally, but he is making it clear to our allies in Europe that he is there to help but that they must learn to take the costs both in treasure and bodies of their own security in the international arena and that the US will no longer sign the bill alone.
    What does this mean he wouldn't back up his red line when his bluff was called?
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    What "votes?" Is she going to run for presidency?
    Most likely!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Most likely!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What does this mean he wouldn't back up his red line when his bluff was called?
    It means that it is better not to issue what appears to your listeners to be an ultimatum and then not do, what was understood to be your threat, when the ultimatum is broken, to leave it dangling on an open note.

    True, this may seem simpler than it is. You may have been misunderstood to begin with or the ultimatum was technically not broken, or the solution you then found was better than was understood. You might want to argue that the important people knew you did, what you said. That is all very intellectual and fine in that respect. But it does not really cut it and confuses other decision makers and more importantly their populaces.

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    So stupid. The bulk of the syrian rebels are ISIS. So arming them more than they have already been supplied with would just result in a stronger ISIS today.
    That was not the alternative. Islamist groups were not the carriers of the movement against the Assad dynasty at the beginning. They came to the scene later long after the situation had collapsed from civil unrest into civil war. The time to stop the affair was in the period between when Assad first shot at demonstrators and when he used aircraft.

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