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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Wow, 70 replies between having posted this and being able to return to it. Interesting discussion, thank you all for participating.
    All right, so it seems like what Hillary is doing is understandable, as a pre-candidate. They all do it; it's politics.
    But no, there is no guarantee that she would have done any better, or that even at this very specific issue, her idea would have worked. So, she seems just as clueless.
    Indeed, if we only have H. Clinton and Jeb Bush to run in 2016, we are in bad shape, since it would be more of the same that we've seen over the last 16 years or even longer if we think of Bill and Bush Sr. and these dynasties have largely been ineffective and wrong in so many foreign policy issues (although I do think that Bill Clinton was the least bad of the bunch).

    On the other hand, I see perplexity from all sides. Given the long string of historical blunders by our last several presidents, the world is in such a mess that both hawks and doves may not know what to do next, and will be posturing for partisan advantage but neither side seems to have a solution for the mess.

    I've been thinking that the presidential system and the de-facto bipartisan system are what is dooming our nation. A multi-party, parliamentary system with a prime minister subject to political compromise and consensus and also subjected to being demoted when his/her administration is ineffective maybe would have prevented the blunders of executive action by a president who is basically almost unaccountable for either four or eight years, and the paralysis of a divided Congress left with two opposing parties that can never agree on anything and are always trying to engage in political games to undermine the other party, rather than taking care of the nation's business and global interests.

    We're doomed, my friends. Doomed. And by "us" I mean not only the United States, but also the entire world. Things are not going well in the 21st century.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, the president misjudged congress and congress would rather play political games. However, the fact remains that congress did not let the president act so it is on them.
    I think you'll find that it was the President's own party, in the majority, who were opposed to this move. If you want to call it "congress", that's fine. But your implication is that it was Republicans who opposed the President regarding action on Syria.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I think you'll find that it was the President's own party, in the majority, who were opposed to this move. If you want to call it "congress", that's fine. But your implication is that it was Republicans who opposed the President regarding action on Syria.
    I'm satisfied republicans would have supported it had it ever got as far as a vote. I'm glad that it didn't however. And I still believe that it was impossible to control the arms being supplied to the syrian rebels from Benghazi through Turkey, with the Turks largely responsible for vetting, and not fully trustworthy as to their loyalties, particularly with Erdogan's actions of late. This having led to IS benefitting and being strengthened in the process.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What does that say for us when Clinton and Bush are our two strongest potentials! Dear lord.
    I came to that conclusion by looking at the electoral college and comparing trustworthy state for both parties. I did not take ideology or the popular vote potential into consideration. Hillary would start off with Democratic trustworthy states worth 256 electoral votes, just 14 shy of the 270 needed to win. Jeb Bush would start off with 220 counting Florida. Most other Republican potential nominees start off at 191. Now if Bush were to pick either Portman and or Kasich from Ohio, he could narrow that margin down to 256-238. Then North Carolina is another must win for him with its 15 electoral votes as if the Democrat/Hillary won NC, that would put her at 271. Bush probably can win NC. Then it becomes a crap shoot over Nevada, Iowa, New Hampshire and Virginia.

    Oh, a Kasich/Bush ticket would accomplish the same as a Bush/Kasich ticket.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Interestingly, I agree with some of the things Obama is currently doing, though I'm still unsure if they actually have a strategy or if they're making it up as they go along. The idea of containment of ISIS, limited arms to resistance fighters and the use of US air power as steps to containing and degradation of ISIS forces is fine but I'm unsure of the end game. In my view, letting these people shoot each other for the next 20 years and containing them to Syria and Iraq sounds great, ultimately though, no one believes it will work out that way. Now Maliki is hinting at a possible coup to keep him in power while this goes on.

    As long as it stays over there and doesn't bleed into the US in the form of terrorist attacks, I'm relatively blase about it. Let's hope Obama however re-tools the Afghanistan model and doesn't make the same exact mistake as he did in Iraq with the draw down.
    I really expected Afghanistan to come apart before Iraq. Like a lot of other people, I never seen ISIS coming. In Afghanistan what most Afghans wanted was to be ruled by leaders/elders of their own tribe in whatever little portion of Afghanistan they controlled. Not by some other member of another tribe in far off Kabul. In a lot of the Afghan's eyes, we are no better than the Taliban. The Taliban wanted to ruled all 18 tribes by a member of their tribe, the U.S. enforced Democracy upon the Afghans and even though they have a vote, it is still viewed a being forced to live under another tribes ruler.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I came to that conclusion by looking at the electoral college and comparing trustworthy state for both parties. I did not take ideology or the popular vote potential into consideration. Hillary would start off with Democratic trustworthy states worth 256 electoral votes, just 14 shy of the 270 needed to win. Jeb Bush would start off with 220 counting Florida. Most other Republican potential nominees start off at 191. Now if Bush were to pick either Portman and or Kasich from Ohio, he could narrow that margin down to 256-238. Then North Carolina is another must win for him with its 15 electoral votes as if the Democrat/Hillary won NC, that would put her at 271. Bush probably can win NC. Then it becomes a crap shoot over Nevada, Iowa, New Hampshire and Virginia.

    Oh, a Kasich/Bush ticket would accomplish the same as a Bush/Kasich ticket.
    Can we get instead a real statesman/woman with a clear view of geopolitics (and the guts to take action)?
    America desperately needs a good president, and the world needs a good US president.
    I'm not very optimistic that either the Democratic Party or the Republican Party will provide us with one. The independents and small parties won't either, or if they do, that person wouldn't win.
    Like I said, we're doomed.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Can we get instead a real statesman/woman with a clear view of geopolitics (and the guts to take action)?
    America desperately needs a good president, and the world needs a good US president.
    I'm not very optimistic that either the Democratic Party or the Republican Party will provide us with one. The independents and small parties won't either, or if they do, that person wouldn't win.
    Like I said, we're doomed.
    Yep, lets slit our wrists and burn the house down.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    What?
    No.

    What?

    Benghazi is in Libya. Syria is a whole different country. To get from Libya to Syria you have to through 3 countries. It's a whole different thing.
    Is that your final answer?
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is that your final answer?
    Sure.

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