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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is no matter why. You cannot draw a red line and not adhere to it. You lose credibility, which increases you cost later. A President should not do that. If you cannot keep your promise, do not make it.
    And that is where Congress failed the president and it is congress to blame for losing credibility.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

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    And that is where Congress failed the president and it is congress to blame for losing credibility.
    Wait, no UN resolution, the UK backing away, no congressional authorization and 70% disapproval of use of force from the American citizens.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

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    And that is where Congress failed the president and it is congress to blame for losing credibility.
    Nope. If the President cannot do, what he said he would, it is his fault. He misjudged, he lied, he blew hot air, it makes no difference. He failed and hurt those that relied on him.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wait, no UN resolution, the UK backing away, no congressional authorization and 70% disapproval of use of force from the American citizens.
    What you are saying is that he should never have opened his mouth.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Nope. If the President cannot do, what he said he would, it is his fault. He misjudged, he lied, he blew hot air, it makes no difference. He failed and hurt those that relied on him.
    Again, you'd have him be the belligerent to save face?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    What you are saying is that he should never have opened his mouth.
    Well yeah. I already said, publicly, red lines shouldn't be declared.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Nope. If the President cannot do, what he said he would, it is his fault. He misjudged, he lied, he blew hot air, it makes no difference. He failed and hurt those that relied on him.
    Yes, the president misjudged congress and congress would rather play political games. However, the fact remains that congress did not let the president act so it is on them.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Assad IS a leader America could work with. Perhaps not ideal, but margins better than what the alternative is, should they prevail. And to hell with Hillary Clinton.
    Part of America's disengagement from the region has been it's abandonment of leaders who've secured stability in allied countries, often using brutal force we choose to ignore. With America's abandonment of these leaders has come far greater instability all over the region. It will be decades before it becomes clear if such a move was brilliant or incredibly naive.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Part of America's disengagement from the region has been it's abandonment of leaders who've secured stability in allied countries, often using brutal force we choose to ignore. With America's abandonment of these leaders has come far greater instability all over the region. It will be decades before it becomes clear if such a move was brilliant or incredibly naive.
    Not just allied countries. But yeah where we removed them or failed to support them as the lessors of two evils, the instability is significantly worse.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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