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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    So you say. And it is good that (some of?) the chemicals are gone.
    Sorrily that is not the way it seems to be interpreted, which is the main thing in this game. This red line has been made out to be one in a row with other red lines and options on tables from Obama's past; which these were no longer registers nor matters. He is not perceived to be a man to stand to his threats. That is not good in a President.
    What was Obama's threat?
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What was Obama's threat?




    US military involvement.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

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    US military involvement.
    Enormous consequences! What I was asking is for specifics. At any rate, the UN's report on the use of chemical weapons did not place blame on president Assad, and there were reports that the rebels were the ones to have used them but no confirmation anywhere. Those weapons have been and are being removed.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think that means we basically agree at that point.
    On Syria, I believe we are in general agreement and have been in such agreement from the time the sectarian conflict commenced.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Enormous consequences! What I was asking is for specifics. At any rate, the UN's report on the use of chemical weapons did not place blame on president Assad, and there were reports that the rebels were the ones to have used them but no confirmation anywhere. Those weapons have been and are being removed.
    You asked for a threat and I gave you a specific - US military involvement was the threat.
    Why are you confused?
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's a matter of bad US policies in the ME that have strengthened and emboldened militant Islamic jihad.

    Anyway, that's pretty close to an endorsement Pero! Good gawd, no more Bush's and no more Clintons, we don't need America to become an oligarchy.
    LOL, actually I am busy with the 2014 senate predictions, I really haven’t given 2016 much thought. But I do understand candidates, potential candidates of the same party as an unpopular president running away from him. At least keeping him at arm’s length. You see that this year with Begich, Landrieu, Hagan, Pryor refusing to be seen with the president all the while accepting the tons of cash he raises at his fund raisers. Hillary is a politician, one should expect her to do the same.

    I do not have a problem helping out the Kurds with airstrikes. The Kurds have been loyal to us and unlike Maliki’s troops, they are willing to fight to protect what is theirs. In fact with the help from some of our airstrikes, the Kurds have been able to recapture some villages and towns that ISIS originally took from them. I am half a mind just to let Iran, Syria and Russia decide Maliki’s fate. As an old military man, I am leery about getting involved protecting a country whose own forces refuse to fight. That is a recipe for disaster.

    No, no endorsement of Hillary. But I would be surprise to see 2016 be a race between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. They seem to be the strongest candidates the two major parties have to offer, at least at this point in time.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It was essentially the same calculation Saddam had made, when he bet that the Moscow-Berlin-Paris axis would prevent Bush from deposing him.
    What we also learned after the war was that Saddam Hussein so greatly feared Iran, that he could not abandon ambiguity on the WMD front. He believed that if Iran knew that Iraq had not resumed WMD activities or possessed no WMD, that Iran would pose a mortal threat to Iraq. In other words, he believed he was "stuck" between international demands and obligations he had made regarding WMD and his fears of Iran.

    My guess is that those fears were the primary reason he chose not to fully cooperate with the international inspections. After all, even when he was faced with certainty concerning military force following his invasion of Kuwait in 1990 with all the Permanent Members of the Security Council unopposed to the authorization of force, he still refused to withdraw unconditionally from Kuwait. Then, as was the case in 2003, he placed greatest priority on his own considerations as he saw them.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You asked for a threat and I gave you a specific - US military involvement was the threat.
    Why are you confused?
    No confusion, I listened to Obama for that 90 seconds and didn't quite hear what you did. Perhaps he specifically threatened president Assad through our ambassador, or other courier. Not some vague serious consequences during a press conference. We do know that he sought a UN resolution for force early on, however failed to secure one, we know that he lost UK support for such, that congress failed him any authorisation and that the American public was steadfastly against it. It would appear that removing the chemical weapons would deny another breach of the red line though.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    What we also learned after the war was that Saddam Hussein so greatly feared Iran, that he could not abandon ambiguity on the WMD front. He believed that if Iran knew that Iraq had not resumed WMD activities or possessed no WMD, that Iran would pose a mortal threat to Iraq. In other words, he believed he was "stuck" between international demands and obligations he had made regarding WMD and his fears of Iran.

    My guess is that those fears were the primary reason he chose not to fully cooperate with the international inspections. After all, even when he was faced with certainty concerning military force following his invasion of Kuwait in 1990 with all the Permanent Members of the Security Council unopposed to the authorization of force, he still refused to withdraw unconditionally from Kuwait. Then, as was the case in 2003, he placed greatest priority on his own considerations as he saw them.
    You mean to say that Saddam feared Iran more than the US.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    LOL, actually I am busy with the 2014 senate predictions, I really haven’t given 2016 much thought. But I do understand candidates, potential candidates of the same party as an unpopular president running away from him. At least keeping him at arm’s length. You see that this year with Begich, Landrieu, Hagan, Pryor refusing to be seen with the president all the while accepting the tons of cash he raises at his fund raisers. Hillary is a politician, one should expect her to do the same.

    I do not have a problem helping out the Kurds with airstrikes. The Kurds have been loyal to us and unlike Maliki’s troops, they are willing to fight to protect what is theirs. In fact with the help from some of our airstrikes, the Kurds have been able to recapture some villages and towns that ISIS originally took from them. I am half a mind just to let Iran, Syria and Russia decide Maliki’s fate. As an old military man, I am leery about getting involved protecting a country whose own forces refuse to fight. That is a recipe for disaster.

    No, no endorsement of Hillary. But I would be surprise to see 2016 be a race between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. They seem to be the strongest candidates the two major parties have to offer, at least at this point in time.
    What does that say for us when Clinton and Bush are our two strongest potentials! Dear lord.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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