Page 3 of 12 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 115

Thread: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

  1. #21
    Sage
    j-mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    South Carolina
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    30,322

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    OMG! Libs are so gullible. This woman, (that was the person charged to develop and carry out Obama's policy) now comes out and says she never agreed with it? Are kidding me?

    And the dolts will vote for this lying POS.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    Alexis de Tocqueville

  2. #22
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    New York
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 12:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    11,691

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    She directly seems to attribute the rise of ISIS to Obama's refusal to arm the Syrian rebels, which she was for.
    IMO, on this point, the former Secretary of State is almost certainly not correct. Had the U.S. armed the rebels in Syria, one would probably see an even more dangerous ISIS today. ISIS is an extremist ideological movement that opportunistically exploited Syria's weakened central authority. That central authority was weakened in the face of an armed sectarian uprising. A more potent rebel movement would have created an even more favorable climate for ISIS to gain access to weapons and put it in a stronger position than it presently is. One should bear in mind that repeated UN reports observe that all parties to the conflict are ignoring civilian protections, engaging in atrocities, etc. ISIS fit well within the mix and early U.S. weapons supplies would have created an even deadlier cocktail of extremism.

    The President's big problem was drawing a red line that was not credible to begin with, because there were no critical U.S. interests at stake. That absence of interests undermined credibility. In such cases, the U.S. should not set red lines. Nevertheless, the President was able to tactically correct himself and salvage a large gain from Syria's turning over most or all of its chemical weapons arsenal.

  3. #23
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    New York
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 12:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    11,691

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I would agree that red lines should be drawn only, when you can and will enforce them. There is no excuse.
    Enforcement is only assured when critical national interests are at stake. In the case of Syria, no such interests were at stake.

  4. #24
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    12-26-14 @ 02:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    10,032

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So Benghazi was not about a CIA operation to arm Syrian rebels?
    What?
    No.

    What?

    Benghazi is in Libya. Syria is a whole different country. To get from Libya to Syria you have to through 3 countries. It's a whole different thing.

  5. #25
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:06 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    43,399

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Enforcement is only assured when critical national interests are at stake. In the case of Syria, no such interests were at stake.
    Well..... Really? This is not a game with unknown players. You learn from how players acted in the past.
    If a red line is drawn it becomes critical national interest, because everyone sees, what you do, when the line is crossed and adapt their strategy accordingly. So if you do nothing, you have sent a signal that, what you say can be ignored. This will increase your costs in later engagements.

  6. #26
    Sage
    Montecresto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    03-13-16 @ 11:59 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,561

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So Benghazi was not about a CIA operation to arm Syrian rebels?
    Yes, it was.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

  7. #27
    Sage
    jmotivator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    16,697

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'm sure there are people out there who are impressed by Hillary's new-found position...but I'm not one of them. It's all political. It sets her up if she ever announces a run for President.

    Big deal. It might help her get elected, but it doesn't mean she would be any better in the foreign policy department than Obama is.
    It adds fuel to the rumor that Obama and OFA will throw their weight behind Elizabeth Warren in 2016.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

  8. #28
    Sage
    Montecresto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    03-13-16 @ 11:59 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,561

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, on this point, the former Secretary of State is almost certainly not correct. Had the U.S. armed the rebels in Syria, one would probably see an even more dangerous ISIS today. ISIS is an extremist ideological movement that opportunistically exploited Syria's weakened central authority. That central authority was weakened in the face of an armed sectarian uprising. A more potent rebel movement would have created an even more favorable climate for ISIS to gain access to weapons and put it in a stronger position than it presently is. One should bear in mind that repeated UN reports observe that all parties to the conflict are ignoring civilian protections, engaging in atrocities, etc. ISIS fit well within the mix and early U.S. weapons supplies would have created an even deadlier cocktail of extremism.

    The President's big problem was drawing a red line that was not credible to begin with, because there were no critical U.S. interests at stake. That absence of interests undermined credibility. In such cases, the U.S. should not set red lines. Nevertheless, the President was able to tactically correct himself and salvage a large gain from Syria's turning over most or all of its chemical weapons arsenal.
    But the arming was done, not to the extent that hawks wanted, and as such is largely responsible for the strength of IS.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

  9. #29
    Sage
    Montecresto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Last Seen
    03-13-16 @ 11:59 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    24,561

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Well..... Really? This is not a game with unknown players. You learn from how players acted in the past.
    If a red line is drawn it becomes critical national interest, because everyone sees, what you do, when the line is crossed and adapt their strategy accordingly. So if you do nothing, you have sent a signal that, what you say can be ignored. This will increase your costs in later engagements.
    The red line was drawn, he "allegedly" crossed that line, and the chemical weapons have been removed. That problem solved.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

  10. #30
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    New York
    Last Seen
    12-13-17 @ 12:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    11,691

    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But the arming was done, not to the extent that hawks wanted, and as such is largely responsible for the strength of IS.
    I know, and I believe it was a bad decision.

Page 3 of 12 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •