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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It means that it is better not to issue what appears to your listeners to be an ultimatum and then not do, what was understood to be your threat, when the ultimatum is broken, to leave it dangling on an open note.

    True, this may seem simpler than it is. You may have been misunderstood to begin with or the ultimatum was technically not broken, or the solution you then found was better than was understood. You might want to argue that the important people knew you did, what you said. That is all very intellectual and fine in that respect. But it does not really cut it and confuses other decision makers and more importantly their populaces.

    Right, well Obama had every intention of backing up his red line. However, there were others bound to prevent it. Namely, he was denied a resolution for use of force at the UN by Russia and China on three occasions, the UK pulled its support for military action, Obama couldn't get congressional approval and 70% of Americans were against it. So, the only failure was in drawing the red line to begin with as he was denied all options to enforce it unless you would advocate he act as a belligerent.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Right, well Obama had every intention of backing up his red line. However, there were others bound to prevent it. Namely, he was denied a resolution for use of force at the UN by Russia and China on three occasions, the UK pulled its support for military action, Obama couldn't get congressional approval and 70% of Americans were against it. So, the only failure was in drawing the red line to begin with as he was denied all options to enforce it unless you would advocate he act as a belligerent.
    I would agree that red lines should be drawn only, when you can and will enforce them. There is no excuse.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I would agree that red lines should be drawn only, when you can and will enforce them. There is no excuse.
    IOW he should have flipped the finger to the UN, UK, congress and the majority of Americans and launched military strikes on Syria. And this even though, the UN investigation did NOT lay blame for the chemical attack on president Assad, and though there were reports that the opposition in fact had used them, ok.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    So stupid. The bulk of the syrian rebels are ISIS. So arming them more than they have already been supplied with would just result in a stronger ISIS today.
    Isn't that what Benghazi was all about?
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    I'm sure there are people out there who are impressed by Hillary's new-found position...but I'm not one of them. It's all political. It sets her up if she ever announces a run for President.

    Big deal. It might help her get elected, but it doesn't mean she would be any better in the foreign policy department than Obama is.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'm sure there are people out there who are impressed by Hillary's new-found position...but I'm not one of them. It's all political. It sets her up if she ever announces a run for President.

    Big deal. It might help her get elected, but it doesn't mean she would be any better in the foreign policy department than Obama is.
    Anybody that doesn't see thru H.C. is naive. Don't be fooled, she had her own reservations for arming the rebels, despite what she says now.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-...help-al-qaeda/
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

    Seems like she had distanced herself back in the first term.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Isn't that what Benghazi was all about?
    No. No, it isn't.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Hillary Clinton is the last person who should be giving advice on foreign policy, after all she voted for the Iraq war which turned out to be a total abomination, and FAILURE...

    The words that come out of her piehole i take with a grain of salt..

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No. No, it isn't.
    So Benghazi was not about a CIA operation to arm Syrian rebels?
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