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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

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    I do not think Adams was the type who would tear apart what he worked so hard to help mold. Then there was Washington who set the example, Washington wouldn't have allowed Adams to get away with it either and being a Virginian had nothing to do with which side he would have taken.
    He was viewed as quite a bitter man with a monarch complex though by some because of his aliens and sedition Act he pushed through and the jailing that ensued...


    Prominent prosecutions under the Sedition Act include:

    James Thomson Callender, a Scottish citizen, had been expelled from Great Britain for his political writings. Living first in Philadelphia, then seeking refuge close in Virginia, he wrote a book entitled The Prospect Before Us (read and approved by Vice President Jefferson before publication) in which he called the Adams administration a "continual tempest of malignant passions" and the President a "repulsive pedant, a gross hypocrite and an unprincipled oppressor". Callender, already residing in Virginia and writing for the Richmond Examiner, was indicted in mid-1800 under the Sedition Act and convicted, fined $200 and sentenced to nine months in jail.[7]

    Matthew Lyon was a Democratic-Republican congressman from Vermont. He was indicted in 1800 under the Sedition Act for an essay he had written in the Vermont Journal accusing the administration of "ridiculous pomp, foolish adulation, and selfish avarice". While awaiting trial, Lyon commenced publication of Lyon's Republican Magazine, subtitled "The Scourge of Aristocracy". At trial, he was fined $1,000 and sentenced to four months in jail. After his release, he returned to Congress.[8][9]

    Benjamin Franklin Bache was editor of the Aurora, a Democratic-Republican newspaper. Bache had accused George Washington of incompetence and financial irregularities, and "the blind, bald, crippled, toothless, querulous Adams" of nepotism and monarchical ambition. He was arrested in 1798 under the Sedition Act, but he died of yellow fever before trial.[10]

    Anthony Haswell was an English immigrant and a printer in Vermont.[11] Among other activities, Haswell reprinted parts of the Aurora, including Bache's claim that the federal government had employed Tories.[12] Haswell was found guilty of seditious libel by judge William Paterson, and sentenced to a two-month imprisonment and a $200 fine.[13]

    Luther Baldwin was indicted, convicted, and fined $100 for an incident that occurred during a visit by President Adams to Newark, New Jersey.[14][15]

    In November 1798, David Brown led a group in Dedham, Massachusetts in setting up a liberty pole with the words, "No Stamp Act, No Sedition Act, No Alien Bills, No Land Tax, downfall to the Tyrants of America; peace and retirement to the President; Long Live the Vice President".[16][17][18] Brown was arrested in Andover, Massachusetts, but because he could not afford the $4,000 bail, he was taken to Salem for trial.[19] Brown was tried in June 1799.[16] Brown pled guilty but Justice Samuel Chase asked him to name others who had assisted him.[16] Brown refused, was fined $480,[19][20] and sentenced to eighteen months in prison, the most severe sentence ever imposed under the Sedition Act.[16][19]
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

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    He was viewed as quite a bitter man with a monarch complex though by some because of his aliens and sedition Act he pushed through and the jailing that ensued...


    Prominent prosecutions under the Sedition Act include:

    James Thomson Callender, a Scottish citizen, had been expelled from Great Britain for his political writings. Living first in Philadelphia, then seeking refuge close in Virginia, he wrote a book entitled The Prospect Before Us (read and approved by Vice President Jefferson before publication) in which he called the Adams administration a "continual tempest of malignant passions" and the President a "repulsive pedant, a gross hypocrite and an unprincipled oppressor". Callender, already residing in Virginia and writing for the Richmond Examiner, was indicted in mid-1800 under the Sedition Act and convicted, fined $200 and sentenced to nine months in jail.[7]

    Matthew Lyon was a Democratic-Republican congressman from Vermont. He was indicted in 1800 under the Sedition Act for an essay he had written in the Vermont Journal accusing the administration of "ridiculous pomp, foolish adulation, and selfish avarice". While awaiting trial, Lyon commenced publication of Lyon's Republican Magazine, subtitled "The Scourge of Aristocracy". At trial, he was fined $1,000 and sentenced to four months in jail. After his release, he returned to Congress.[8][9]

    Benjamin Franklin Bache was editor of the Aurora, a Democratic-Republican newspaper. Bache had accused George Washington of incompetence and financial irregularities, and "the blind, bald, crippled, toothless, querulous Adams" of nepotism and monarchical ambition. He was arrested in 1798 under the Sedition Act, but he died of yellow fever before trial.[10]

    Anthony Haswell was an English immigrant and a printer in Vermont.[11] Among other activities, Haswell reprinted parts of the Aurora, including Bache's claim that the federal government had employed Tories.[12] Haswell was found guilty of seditious libel by judge William Paterson, and sentenced to a two-month imprisonment and a $200 fine.[13]

    Luther Baldwin was indicted, convicted, and fined $100 for an incident that occurred during a visit by President Adams to Newark, New Jersey.[14][15]

    In November 1798, David Brown led a group in Dedham, Massachusetts in setting up a liberty pole with the words, "No Stamp Act, No Sedition Act, No Alien Bills, No Land Tax, downfall to the Tyrants of America; peace and retirement to the President; Long Live the Vice President".[16][17][18] Brown was arrested in Andover, Massachusetts, but because he could not afford the $4,000 bail, he was taken to Salem for trial.[19] Brown was tried in June 1799.[16] Brown pled guilty but Justice Samuel Chase asked him to name others who had assisted him.[16] Brown refused, was fined $480,[19][20] and sentenced to eighteen months in prison, the most severe sentence ever imposed under the Sedition Act.[16][19]
    I would say old John Adams wouldn't survive in the political muk racking of today.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    But John Quincy Adams did a fine job of slinging mud at Andrew Jackson's wife in the first popular vote.
    Long time no see brother Pero.
    Did you like "Good Morning Vietnan"?
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    I would say old John Adams wouldn't survive in the political muk racking of today.
    And the Kansas City Royals are the buzz here in the Midwest .
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

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    But John Quincy Adams did a fine job of slinging mud at Andrew Jackson's wife in the first popular vote.
    Long time no see brother Pero.
    Did you like "Good Morning Vietnan"?

    And the Kansas City Royals are the buzz here in the Midwest .
    Yeah, "Good Morning Vietnam" was a good movie. I listened to AFVN while I was there. I expected the Braves to be doing a whole lot better than they are, especially after they got Justin Upton. Oh well, it seems if they don't play Washington, they lose.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    I sense the same feeling on debate politics over Robin Williams as I've seen over past tragedies in our Nation.
    And now we have an opportunity to deal with a pressing problem in our society, depression linked to substances.
    So sad a tragedy must happen, just as with the car driver--but we're good enough to make positives out of tragedies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yeah, "Good Morning Vietnam" was a good movie. I listened to AFVN while I was there. I expected the Braves to be doing a whole lot better than they are, especially after they got Justin Upton. Oh well, it seems if they don't play Washington, they lose.
    It's the same old story with the Braves--I don't get how they can't score more runs.
    And the wild-card will be really tough for them this year.

    But you would like this small-market Royals team.
    I'm sure you remember your time near Kansas City .
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I sense the same feeling on debate politics over Robin Williams as I've seen over past tragedies in our Nation.
    And now we have an opportunity to deal with a pressing problem in our society, depression linked to substances.
    So sad a tragedy must happen, just as with the car driver--but we're good enough to make positives out of tragedies.

    It's the same old story with the Braves--I don't get how they can't score more runs.
    And the wild-card will be really tough for them this year.

    But you would like this small-market Royals team.
    I'm sure you remember your time near Kansas City .
    I remember them good. It seemed like every year I was a Drill Sergeant the Royals were playing the Yankees in the ALCS, back in the day of only two divisions when a team actually had to win something to make the playoffs. They had some pretty good players, Brett, Patek, White, Gura, Hrabosky, Leonard, Splittorff, Otis and Wilson.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would say old John Adams wouldn't survive in the political muk racking of today.
    It is bad but it was also pretty ugly back in the day. I think it was the election of 1828 that was dubbed the dirtiest prez campaign ever.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It is bad but it was also pretty ugly back in the day. I think it was the election of 1828 that was dubbed the dirtiest prez campaign ever.
    Probably so, also 1828 marked the emergence of the first modern day political party. The Democratic Party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

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    Reuters, quoting an interview with The Atlantic:

    Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy





    She directly seems to attribute the rise of ISIS to Obama's refusal to arm the Syrian rebels, which she was for.

    She may have a point. I'm not sure if it would have worked, since it was hard to identify who should be armed, and they might easily turn against us afterwards.

    Regardless of her having a point or not, it is disgraceful that for election advantage, she is now spitting at an administration she was a part of.

    On the other hand, regardless of her antics, it is clear to me at this point that the Obama doctrine of non-intervention in foreign affairs is a disgrace. He is proving to be one of the worst US presidents in history, and the entire world is about to pay the price. No, I don't want the US to be the police of the world, but we can't disengage abruptly without a solidly supported international order to keep things going. We were fulfilling this role; we suddenly withdrew, and now the world is a mess.

    By the way, we won't fix the ISIS mess with three airstrike sorties, taking down one convoy and one artillery piece. Obama's wishy-washy half-baked commitment will not solve anything.

    I say so in spite of having voted for Obama twice, something I now regret and am ashamed of. Not that the alternatives were any good, anyway, but by now I'm sick and tired of Obama and wish he'd resign.

    Anyway, I'm packing too much into this original post (because I'm so frustrated with Obama). Maybe we should just discuss what Hillary said - does she have a point, and is it disgraceful to speak up against her former boss (in order to earn votes)?

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    Harrupmhh! I thought for the first 4 years, Hillary WAS the Obama's foreign policy (implementer at least). How's it possible that she's now thinking that we'd accept / believe her trying to distance herself from it?
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Obama reportedly called Hillary's criticism "horsesh-t" in a private meeting.

    Obama reportedly says Hillary's criticism of Syria policy is 'horsesh-t' - The Week

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