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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    She's not running unfortunately. HOWEVER... Bernie Sanders is considering go join the Democratic Party (as he is an independent now) to run it the Dem primary against Hillary. *fingers crossed
    I wouldn't put much stock in what Warren says today. The hats start getting thrown in the ring in December.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Again, you'd have him be the belligerent to save face?
    While at the same time backing Boehner's effort to sue him for acting too unilaterally. Go figure.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

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    I really expected Afghanistan to come apart before Iraq. Like a lot of other people, I never seen ISIS coming. In Afghanistan what most Afghans wanted was to be ruled by leaders/elders of their own tribe in whatever little portion of Afghanistan they controlled. Not by some other member of another tribe in far off Kabul. In a lot of the Afghan's eyes, we are no better than the Taliban. The Taliban wanted to ruled all 18 tribes by a member of their tribe, the U.S. enforced Democracy upon the Afghans and even though they have a vote, it is still viewed a being forced to live under another tribes ruler.
    It is a very natural preference for people want to be tribal. Breaking that up with a gun won't break that desire in people.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Per Maliki...


    All we have to do is pray he doesn't do a coup... being that he is also the ministry of defense, ministry of the interior and so and and so on. He has many dangerous ties that could develop a coup.
    In a way this sort of reminds me of South Vietnam after the assassination of Diem where you had a series of generals taking charge of the country and fighting among themselves instead of fighting the communist. There is no good solution here.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    In a way this sort of reminds me of South Vietnam after the assassination of Diem where you had a series of generals taking charge of the country and fighting among themselves instead of fighting the communist. There is no good solution here.
    It makes me think of John Adam's loss to Thomas Jefferson where he barely lost and the country was so young no one knew if he would get out of the way gracefully or basically run a coup on the fledgling democracy.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I would say so. He was our boy for the longest time and we turned on him. I don't think he saw that coming. When he invaded Kuwait in 1990 he asked our permission and got it. He was pissed that Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields. Then we went after him. From that point on he wasn't our boy any more. But prior to all that, we used the hell out of him to go after Iran with our blessing and support.

    U.S. Gave Green Light for Iraq to Invade Kuwait

    On July 25, 1990, eight days before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, a quiet, largely unreported meeting took place between Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie at the Presidential Palace in Baghdad, which has since been destroyed by the war.

    Saddam Hussein:

    "If we could keep the whole of the Shatt al Arab - our strategic goal in our war with Iran - we will make concessions (to the Kuwaitis). But, if we are forced to choose between keeping half of the Shatt and the whole of Iraq (which, in Saddam's view, includes Kuwait) then we will give up all of the Shatt to defend our claims on Kuwait to keep the whole of Iraq in the shape we wish it to be. (pause) What is the United States' opinion on this?"

    (Pause, then Ambassador Glaspie speaks carefully)

    U.S. Ambassador Glaspie:

    "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
    I agree with all that! Although, when the Texas cowboy, jr. bush became president, I'm surprised that he wouldn't have taken him serious.
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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I would say so. He was our boy for the longest time and we turned on him. I don't think he saw that coming. When he invaded Kuwait in 1990 he asked our permission and got it. He was pissed that Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields. Then we went after him. From that point on he wasn't our boy any more. But prior to all that, we used the hell out of him to go after Iran with our blessing and support.

    U.S. Gave Green Light for Iraq to Invade Kuwait

    On July 25, 1990, eight days before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, a quiet, largely unreported meeting took place between Saddam Hussein and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie at the Presidential Palace in Baghdad, which has since been destroyed by the war...

    U.S. Ambassador Glaspie:

    "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
    If President Bush's and Brent Scowcroft's A World Transformed is correct, there's a big problem with the above account concerning April Glaspie. What is stated above refers to the U.S. leaving it to the parties to settle their disputes but it misses the context. She indicated that there would be no U.S.-imposed solution or U.S. recommendation. Bush wrote:

    Her statement "as you know, we don't take a stand on territorial disputes" (standard State Department language that we do not take positions on the merits of a boundary dispute, but expect it to be settled peacefully) has been grossly misconstrued as implying we would look the other way.

    Source: George Bush and Brent Scowcroft, A World Transformed, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1998, p.311.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It is a very natural preference for people want to be tribal. Breaking that up with a gun won't break that desire in people.
    No it won't. For at least a thousand years each of the 18 tribes of Afghanistan pretty much ruled themselves with shifting alliances. They would form alliances with other tribes to face whatever danger or threat that was present and then go back to independent tribal rule. In a way, the Afghan tribes are a lot like the our native American Indian tribes were. Fiercely independent, but would unite for a battle or war against a common enemy. But they never stayed united. Each tribe had the desire to be ruled by their own, not some other tribe.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It makes me think of John Adam's loss to Thomas Jefferson where he barely lost and the country was so young no one knew if he would get out of the way gracefully or basically run a coup on the fledgling democracy.
    I do not think Adams was the type who would tear apart what he worked so hard to help mold. Then there was Washington who set the example, Washington wouldn't have allowed Adams to get away with it either and being a Virginian had nothing to do with which side he would have taken.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Hillary Clinton distances herself from Obama's foreign policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No it won't. For at least a thousand years each of the 18 tribes of Afghanistan pretty much ruled themselves with shifting alliances. They would form alliances with other tribes to face whatever danger or threat that was present and then go back to independent tribal rule. In a way, the Afghan tribes are a lot like the our native American Indian tribes were. Fiercely independent, but would unite for a battle or war against a common enemy. But they never stayed united. Each tribe had the desire to be ruled by their own, not some other tribe.
    Or Scottish clans.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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