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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... what created this mess was a bunch of tribes that couldn't regard each other as equally deserving of life and the pursuit of happiness.

    American policy is to minimize and manage the tensions that result from those disagreements. In the Middle East that generally takes the form of allying with authoritarian regimes, because those tribes that won't respect life and the pursuit of happiness will respect power.

    There's a tendency to forget that America is maybe 2% responsible for the atrocities that occurred in a conflict like the Iran-Iraq War. The communities that hated and fought against each other are 98% responsible for the results of their hatred.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not interrupting it in Gaza.
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    Really.

    Killing Muslim children by the hundreds (partly by firing into active schools) is okay with Obama...just a slight warning is all that is required.

    Or U.S. drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent Muslim civilians...that is fine with Obama as well. Heck, he ordered the strikes.

    But start killing/starving a few Christians in Northern Iraq and Obama starts bombing ISIS back to the Stone Age.

    Double standard?

    Naaaaaa.
    Great, now we've entered everything-is-the-same land! Obviously, liberal democracies causing collateral damage in self-defense against terrorists is equivalent to a theocracy rampaging with the intent to wipe out an entire religious group.

    I do agree, though, that there is a double standard in regards to the victims being Christian. ISIS imposes absolute religious rule and executes POWs, dissidents, and Shia, but only when Christians suffer do many people start saying enough is enough.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Great, now we've entered everything-is-the-same land! Obviously, liberal democracies causing collateral damage in self-defense against terrorists is equivalent to a theocracy rampaging with the intent to wipe out an entire religious group.

    I do agree, though, that there is a double standard in regards to the victims being Christian. ISIS imposes absolute religious rule and executes POWs, dissidents, and Shia, but only when Christians suffer do many people start saying enough is enough.
    For myself, life is life. It doesn't matter the reason behind the killing, other than that, we simply disagree that Israel's response to a problem it is responsible for equates to self defense. And reasonable people find what Israel is doing to be reprehensible, as you would note by the recent DFM from Briton resigning in protest, the number of Latin American countries pulling ambassadors in protest, our own former presidents condemnation, the condemnation of the UN, and of course I won't stress you with an exhaustive list but certainly there's far far more condemnation around the world for Israel than praise and support. That's primarily an American position led by white male christians over the age of 50.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Amazing what a little air supremacy will do for a ****ed up situation.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Actually, Ron Paul wouldn't prefer that, and I doubt you can quote him saying such. But if anything has pushed the ME towards an Islamic state, its US policy in the region for decades. And most recently, the breaking out of Syria by IS (ISIS), is just what Russia and China warned three years ago that US interference in Syria would produce.
    I said "perhaps." No one can say for sure whether Paul wants or does not want such an outcome. He clearly is indifferent to the events in that area.

    On the Syria issue, I have long opposed U.S. military intervention or support for any of the warring factions. The Kurdish situation is a different matter given a combination of interests and the real risk of genocide. Hence, I support U.S. air strikes on the Islamic State terrorist organization and weapons shipments to the Kurdish Regional Government.

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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think America (and other nations) making those kinds of judgements is what created this mess in the first place.
    The Kurds would not support a theocracy. Say what you want about the Baathists but they did not put up with religious shenanigans.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I said "perhaps." No one can say for sure whether Paul wants or does not want such an outcome. He clearly is indifferent to the events in that area.

    On the Syria issue, I have long opposed U.S. military intervention or support for any of the warring factions. The Kurdish situation is a different matter given a combination of interests and the real risk of genocide. Hence, I support U.S. air strikes on the Islamic State terrorist organization and weapons shipments to the Kurdish Regional Government.
    Ron Paul is certainly not indifferent towards the trouble in the ME and has condemned US interference there for decades. And NO chance he's interested in seeing an Islamic state. Like I said, that's been the apparent aim of those responsible for US FP in the ME for years.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    This isnt a civil war we are engaging in. This is stopping a bunch of fundamentalist extremists that have gone unchecked for far too long. This is stopping terrorists that are LITERALLY leaving fields of beheaded children in their wake. This is engaging a bunch of scumbags that are raping and butchering women. You should check out the uncensored pictures and videos of who it is we are engaging and what they are actually doing. Its not about 'warmongering', and blaming the military intervention on 'the neocons' is pure ****ing stupidity. Kharma would have one of your family members being raped and murdered and having the last words they hear being the police responding to let them know....hey..its not our business.

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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Amazing what a little air supremacy will do for a ****ed up situation.
    The Kurds did amazingly well even in a Hostile Saddam-Iraq when we provided No-fly zones from 1991-2003.
    That's when they first impressed me as a people that could run a country... Unlike the conglomeration 'Iraqis', or a more famous victim 'people' with their own section here.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Great, now we've entered everything-is-the-same land! Obviously, liberal democracies causing collateral damage in self-defense against terrorists is equivalent to a theocracy rampaging with the intent to wipe out an entire religious group.

    I do agree, though, that there is a double standard in regards to the victims being Christian. ISIS imposes absolute religious rule and executes POWs, dissidents, and Shia, but only when Christians suffer do many people start saying enough is enough.
    I think some would argue that dead children are dead children. When you blow up a school that you know innocent children are in, does it really matter how you're justifying it?
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