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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Good news indeed.


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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Yeah, we wouldn't want to rudely interrupt the wanton slaughter of civilians. Take your hippie **** elsewhere :
    Not interrupting it in Gaza.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not interrupting it in Gaza.
    Really.

    Killing Muslim children by the hundreds (partly by firing into active schools) is okay with Obama...just a slight warning is all that is required.

    Or U.S. drone strikes that kill hundreds of innocent Muslim civilians...that is fine with Obama as well. Heck, he ordered the strikes.

    But start killing/starving a few Christians in Northern Iraq and Obama starts bombing ISIS back to the Stone Age.

    Double standard?

    Naaaaaa.

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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    If the Kurds were put in charge of the country things would get a lot better.
    LOL no it would not. The only thing that is keeping the kurds from ripping each others heads off, is their mutual "enemies" in the Turks and Arabs in Iraq.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    U.S. Involvement in Iraq: ‘It’s Time to Come Home’
    Ron Paul misses a number of issues:

    1. The U.S. is dealing with an issue in 2014, not 1990 or 2003. Context matters. One cannot automatically assume that every event is identical.
    2. The Kurdish Regional Government has been a longtime ally of the United States. Of course, for a political leader who wanted the U.S. to abandon NATO and America's European allies, the concept of an ally is irrelevant.
    3. The Islamic State has ambitions that threaten other regional U.S. allies including Jordan and Israel.
    4. The Islamic State was in the early stages of threatening genocide against the Yazidi people. Moreover, it has carried out a significant number of atrocities as it has expanded its hold on parts of Syria and Iraq.

    Perhaps for Ron Paul, it wouldn't matter if the entire Middle East fell to the Islamic State. However, that's a fringe position that no serious practitioner of foreign policy accepts.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think America (and other nations) making those kinds of judgements is what created this mess in the first place.
    Yes, I'm sure that the Middle East would be completely peaceful and stable were it not for the magically destructive touch of American imperialism.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I think America (and other nations) making those kinds of judgements is what created this mess in the first place.
    ... what created this mess was a bunch of tribes that couldn't regard each other as equally deserving of life and the pursuit of happiness.

    American policy is to minimize and manage the tensions that result from those disagreements. In the Middle East that generally takes the form of allying with authoritarian regimes, because those tribes that won't respect life and the pursuit of happiness will respect power.

    There's a tendency to forget that America is maybe 2% responsible for the atrocities that occurred in a conflict like the Iran-Iraq War. The communities that hated and fought against each other are 98% responsible for the results of their hatred.
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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post

    Btw, I said that stopping mass genocide was okay.
    How are we supposed to do that if you've also suggested we stay clear of the situation militarily and write it off as none of our business?

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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Ron Paul misses a number of issues:

    1. The U.S. is dealing with an issue in 2014, not 1990 or 2003. Context matters. One cannot automatically assume that every event is identical.
    2. The Kurdish Regional Government has been a longtime ally of the United States. Of course, for a political leader who wanted the U.S. to abandon NATO and America's European allies, the concept of an ally is irrelevant.
    3. The Islamic State has ambitions that threaten other regional U.S. allies including Jordan and Israel.
    4. The Islamic State was in the early stages of threatening genocide against the Yazidi people. Moreover, it has carried out a significant number of atrocities as it has expanded its hold on parts of Syria and Iraq.

    Perhaps for Ron Paul, it wouldn't matter if the entire Middle East fell to the Islamic State. However, that's a fringe position that no serious practitioner of foreign policy accepts.
    Actually, Ron Paul wouldn't prefer that, and I doubt you can quote him saying such. But if anything has pushed the ME towards an Islamic state, its US policy in the region for decades. And most recently, the breaking out of Syria by IS (ISIS), is just what Russia and China warned three years ago that US interference in Syria would produce.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kurdish Forces Reverse Militant Gains as U.S. Continues Airstrikes

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Yes, I'm sure that the Middle East would be completely peaceful and stable were it not for the magically destructive touch of American imperialism.
    Well, a century of western interference in the region hasn't helped. And certainly more recent, last few decades of US policy has brought increased destabilisation.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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