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White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

j-mac said:
Since I started the thread, I assumed you were. So who are you talking about?
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Those of us who do not believe the US is reserved for whites only.
 
Summerwind said:
It is not solely due to border policy, and we've had the most numerous deportations under this president. Add to that the fact that it was a Bush law that is the basis for the current crisis, one that is righteous and should continue. We are all descendents of immigrants, well unless you're native American, and I honestly don't know if mine immigrated legally or not, do you know for sure all your ancestors arrived legally? And even if they did, are you astute enough to recognize that these days legal immigration is a damn sight harder than it was for our ancestors.
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Blaming things on the other side I see. You do realize that the law that Bush made was only meant to be applied to human trafficking right? And no matter how you twist and spin the current influx of illegals have nothing to do with human trafficking. Also I see you fail to note that Obama's EO is, at the very least, partially to blame also.

Also, yes, I'm 100.00% positive that my ancestors immigrated here legally as they came through Ellis Island.

And of course its harder today than it was back then. Back then you had a whole continent to populate where vast land tracks were uninhabited, even by NA. Now there isn't a scrap of land that isn't claimed in some form or another. So sorry, we can't have millions of people come here willy nilly. The best form of immigration is when it is regulated. Otherwise it has a negative impact on resources. And no, its not that we don't have resources or have scarce resources. Its that in order to accommodate immigrants those resources need to be built up over time in order for immigrants to not negatively impact the rest of society. Once the resources are built up (which is going on constantly and as such we can allow legal immigrants to come in all the time) then we can let more in.

Summerwind said:
Give up your hatred, you'll live longer.....
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You see it as hatred, I see it as common sense to not overburden our society. Of course I'm just referring to resources. You think its hatred because you think that I have something against other races. You are of course wrong. I see it as a resource issue. But you of course won't acknowledge that there are legitimate concerns to not allowing illegal immigration. All you see is race and color.
 
Henrin said:
Perhaps you should explore the reasons Mexico sucks. The country didn't get completely ****ed up without the citizens help. Now those same people that ****ed up their country are coming here. What is the chances they will bring with them the same ideas that helped Mexico get in it's current state?
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Wow! Good thing you aren't a racist.

The whites, being the majority, has ****ed this country up plenty all by themselves.
 
Apparently the Conservative OP cares.
OldWorldOrder said:
Who cares?
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As a retired teacher, I didn't concern myself with the color of my students when I taught Chemistry/Physics?Math.
It's that kind of focus that is dividing and ruining this Nation .
 
Texmex said:
Too many conservatives had no problem with this "melting pot" until their kind of metal started dwindling, now, it's alarming.

The truth is that the white population in the U.S. will continue to decrease as the Hispanic population will continue to rise. No need to be overly concerned, Mexicans are people too.
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I have friends and relatives who are Mexican. Have even let them use our eating utensils while at our house. Haven't develop one canker sore either.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You see it as hatred, I see it as common sense to not overburden our society. Of course I'm just referring to resources. You think its hatred because you think that I have something against other races. You are of course wrong. I see it as a resource issue. But you of course won't acknowledge that there are legitimate concerns to not allowing illegal immigration. All you see is race and color.
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After Reagan's Amnesty, what message was sent out to Illegal Immigrants part TWO over the next 23 years through Bush-Jr ?
 
Crosscheck said:
I have friends and relatives who are Mexican.
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The old "I have friends and relatives that are Mexican" card.
I guess that makes everything you say correct.
Have even let them use our eating utensils while at our house. Haven't develop one canker sore either.
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edit----this was over the top for NIMBY to say>>>>>>>This is an asinine redirection of the OP .
 
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j-mac said:
Just another sign that the "open borders" quasi policy is on a path to overburden our systems...What say you?

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It just means that most white people have fewer children or start having children later than latino parents. In due time they too will come more into line with the number of children white people have but until that time the number of latino's in the US will grow. That is how it works when other groups in a population are more fertile than other groups (read white people).
 
NIMBY said:
The old "I have friends and relatives that are Mexican" card.
I guess that makes everything you say correct.


This is an asinine redirection of the OP .
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You took that seriously? Yes, I do have family members who happen to be of Mexican descent and have friends who are hispanic.
I was attempting to be sarcastic at the fear some have of Mexicans.

My delivery was bad, sorry.
 
Texmex said:
Wow! Good thing you aren't a racist.

The whites, being the majority, has ****ed this country up plenty all by themselves.
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Some people in this thread seriously need a dictionary for Christmas or at the very least learn how to use google. Why don't you go look up the word racist and get back to me.
 
Henrin said:
Some people in this thread seriously need a dictionary for Christmas or at the very least learn how to use google. Why don't you go look up the word racist and get back to me.
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You know you just lost when you have to pretend there's some dictionary semantics you can use to weasel away from the obvious.
 
You have my apologies and I appreciate the way you gently "cross-checked" me.
As you saw, I get a little worked up as a long-time educator who is still majorly involved in tutoring and such.
Crosscheck said:
You took that seriously? Yes, I do have family members who happen to be of Mexican descent and have friends who are hispanic.
I was attempting to be sarcastic at the fear some have of Mexicans.

My delivery was bad, sorry.
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I grew up as an Air Force brat living in NCO quarters.
I know the poor side of town and have luckily lived with all races my entire life until I was in an all-white high school.
I was prepared for the cultural changes when I went to college when many of my classsmates weren't.

With my Mexican students, English was always a problem, no matter how good they were at Math and Concept.
I did my best to raise their multiple choice scores but gave them no quarter knowing what they would face at any post--HS scenario.

In my later years, I enjoy traveling to the West and Southwest very much and appreciate the Mexican culture as just part of our great Nation .
 
Summerwind said:
You know you just lost when you have to pretend there's some dictionary semantics you can use to weasel away from the obvious.
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Sorry, but things don't just happen in a vacuum and like it or not culture has an impact on government and the actions it takes part in. The culture of the country impacts not only how people act and think in the country as a whole, but how those individuals that are in charge will approach their duties.

Taking note of the cultural aspect of Mexico and it's influence on the poor conditions found in the country is not racist.
 
TeleKat said:
The US has always been a melting pot of races and cultures. That's not a bad thing. I fail to see how whites no longer being a "majority" is the end of the world. Nor do I see how it discredits open borders in any way.
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A ' melting pot " means that foreigners assimilate, not isolate and build small examples of the third world hell hole they just left.

East Houston is a great example as it's being turned into Little Tijuana

IF this majority is representative of illegals then it's absolutely a burden on our education system. Many of these people broke in to our Country with less than a 6th grade education.

So education as a meaningful concept is nothing to them and that is transferred on to their children.

They are culturally predisposed to not only ignore the laws of the US, but also to ignore their impact on the Communities they move into. They know they're a overwhelming burden on the local Schools, on the local Hospitals and Social services, but they could care less.

They're here for one reason, and that's to take advantage of a already over burdened system.

So how are these people, who come from corrupt Countries, who're already conditioned to accept a left wing Socialistic style of Government going to raise their children ?

These people are not loyal to this Country one bit and they're ignorant of our History, our founding principles and the American ideals that have built this Country.
 
j-mac said:
Just another sign that the "open borders" quasi policy is on a path to overburden our systems...What say you?

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Two things:

1) Good - the more America becomes a melting pot, the better. I look forward to the day when America is no longer primarily 'white' (btw - I am 'white').

2) I strongly suspect you are primarily distressed because you feel MUCH more comfortable with 'white' Americans then non-'white' Americans.
 
NIMBY said:
Apparently the Conservative OP cares.

As a retired teacher, I didn't concern myself with the color of my students when I taught Chemistry/Physics?Math.
It's that kind of focus that is dividing and ruining this Nation .
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It's not your job to concern yourself with skin color. But you can't ignore the distinctions that exist based on culture.

Kids excel when the importance of a good education is emphasized not only by their parents, but by the culture they're exposed to.

My parents raised me with a focus on education and moving on to higher education. It was more than just involvement, it was included in our day to day conversations.

There were expectations that were understood and never second guessed and it wasn't because I or my Brother were forced or threatened. It was part of our culture, and the culture of the families that lived around us.

As a Sophomore my parents started disusing Colleges and it wasn't " are you going to go" it was " where do you want to go and this is what you need to do if you expect to go there ".

Throw all the money you want into failing schools in high crime areas, it won't make a difference. Many Illegals sneak into our Country with a substandard education, if they have any education at all.

The importance of a education wasn't a part of their culture where they came from and won't be part of their culture when they show up in America. These people are culturally predisposed to ignore the burden they represent when they illegally move into the United States.

They realize that they're a huge tax on our education system, on or Health system and on our Socials services but they keep coming.


They're apparently culturally predisposed to ignore our laws, and most likely won't respect or be loyal to the Country they've burdened with their presence.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
The OP laments the eventual end of a white majority in the public school system. One implication of that lamentation is that whiteness is better than non-whiteness, for lack of a better word. It is, therefore, rational to perceive racism in the OP.

What 'we' (meaning you and people like you) need to do is stop refusing to talk about racism when it isn't overt. Something does not have to have "WHITE SUPREMACY" painted over it in bold colors for it to be racist.
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While that certainly might be his thinking, it is not explicit nor sure. If "we" cannot figure out how to argue against stupid things without having to give them negative labels, then the problem is ours, not theirs.
 
j-mac said:
No, it isn't racism. That is only the charge that will be thrown out there to distract, and stifle real discussion. Congratulations it took you less than 5 posts to muddy the water.
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Then why are you freaked out about white kids not being the majority anymore?

Seriously, it'll only be if they add up all the minorities together. How many of the black kids do you think are illegal? Asians?
 
Fenton said:
IF this majority is representative of illegals then it's absolutely a burden on our education system.
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It's only a majority IF they add all the non-white kids together. Last I checked, there were plenty of legal blacks, Asians and Hispanics. Some of the legal ones even speak Spanish at home.
 
rocket88 said:
It's only a majority IF they add all the non-white kids together. Last I checked, there were plenty of legal blacks, Asians and Hispanics. Some of the legal ones even speak Spanish at home.
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I was specifically referring to the growing population of children who came here on their own or came with parents....illegally.

Its not a good scenario either way

Their impact on our education system far exceeds that of just dollars and cents.

Importing third world ethics, standards and ideologies is bad enough.


But importing a class of people who've embraced entitlements as a option is far worse.
 
Fenton said:
A ' melting pot " means that foreigners assimilate, not isolate and build small examples of the third world hell hole they just left.

East Houston is a great example as it's being turned into Little Tijuana

IF this majority is representative of illegals then it's absolutely a burden on our education system. Many of these people broke in to our Country with less than a 6th grade education.

So education as a meaningful concept is nothing to them and that is transferred on to their children.

They are culturally predisposed to not only ignore the laws of the US, but also to ignore their impact on the Communities they move into. They know they're a overwhelming burden on the local Schools, on the local Hospitals and Social services, but they could care less.

They're here for one reason, and that's to take advantage of a already over burdened system.

So how are these people, who come from corrupt Countries, who're already conditioned to accept a left wing Socialistic style of Government going to raise their children ?

These people are not loyal to this Country one bit and they're ignorant of our History, our founding principles and the American ideals that have built this Country.
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We aren't the Borg, we don't "assimilate" people into our culture. We welcome new ideas and new ways of life. It's what has made us great. It's why we can enjoy a wide range of foods, style, entertainment, and music. America isn't about some collectivist idealogue where everybody has to be the same. It's about individualism and diversity. Our whole country exists BECAUSE of immigration. It started this country, it built this country, and it made this country great.

I don't buy into the whole "they're all scary Marxists" idea. But, even if they are overwhelmingly socialist, who cares? Are you suggesting that these people can't come here because they don't vote the way they want you to?

It's easy to dehumanize and demonize them, but they are people too. They can contribute to our country. They can learn from us, and we can learn from them. You speak about "American ideals" yet shutting down our borders is contrary to everything America was built on.
 
Well it's nice to see the Xenophobic members all gather together.
 
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