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White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

So you do not think that illegal immigrant children are not using our schools?
I think that using a double negative in combo with a silly absolute is absolutely silly.
Or just that its not as big a problem as is claimed?
The original article made no claims as to the size of "illegal immigrants" in the schools. You did not not not read the article very well.



Summerwind's commentary was about wanting them in school so that we wouldn't have to worry about them causing mischief on the streets. I never claimed that they were causing mischief. I just said that they should be deported as per the law and that way we wouldn't have to worry either way.
You accepted that there was/is/will be "mischief", along with assuming that the levels are the result of Obama's policies....absurd and wrong....as I said.



Actually the problem of illegal immigrant children in our school system has been around far longer than Obama.
Wow, thanks....living in AZ and CA I had no no no idea.

Too bad that wasn't the point of the article, because if it was i'm sure you could reference NumbersUSA or something like that.
 
So my only concern here is whether the illegal immigrant children are over burdening our school systems. Which is what the OP was suggesting in his post.
The OP suggested it was due to Obama's policies, it isn't, and the article does not support his contention.

Our schools are overburdened because we do not have enough teachers, parents with stable good paying jobs and a RW who insist on starving the beast.
 
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Of course I was interested. I do like to know what neighbors I can laugh at after all. But none of them are where I live so it no longer interested me. :shrug: Closest one is at minimum 30 miles away. I'm not going to waste the gas and time just to go laugh at someone.
I know, you were so interested in the whole concept of RW hate groups in Idaho......that you knew next to nothing about them.

Thats funny!

HA-HA!
 
You accepted that there was/is/will be "mischief", along with assuming that the levels are the result of Obama's policies....absurd and wrong....as I said.

Well, it is pretty common that children do like to get into mischief. :shrug:

So you don't think that Obama's EO had nothing to do with this latest surge in illegal alien children? Despite an EO that he made in 2012, two years later, there's a 400% increase in illegal immigrant children showing up?
 
The OP suggested it was due to Obama's policies, it isn't, and the article does not support his contention.

Our schools are overburdened because we do not have enough teachers, parents with stable good paying jobs and a RW who insist on starving the beast.

So you don't think that if we denied illegal alien children schooling that we wouldn't be as burdened?
 
But there's the rub. I don't care about Hispanics becoming dominate. :shrug: I've mentioned before somewhere on this board that I personally believe that it is useless worrying about race for the simple fact that eventually everyone will be the same color anyways. This being mainly due to peoples ability to travel across the globe in a matter of hours instead of like it used to be in the old ages, years. So eventually we're all going to be brown colored anyways as that is the "in-between" color of the races.

So my only concern here is whether the illegal immigrant children are over burdening our school systems. Which is what the OP was suggesting in his post.

But the OP was just trying to stir things up without any facts. If you trust people to accurately report what their sources say, you will be disappointed regularly. Take the extra couple minutes to read and confirm, and you won't be arguing something that is without grounding.
 
So you don't think that if we denied illegal alien children schooling that we wouldn't be as burdened?

Ah, so even after having the facts pointed out to you, you rush back to illegal aliens. Illegal aliens, in the grand scheme of things for schools, are not a significant issue. Illegal aliens have nothing to do with the source article. Your fixation is kinda sad.
 
Thank goodness there are plenty of hate groups in Idaho to keep things under control.

They don't even need the hate groups anymore. It's just threaded throughout the society, especially in podunk places like Bonner's Ferry. Beautiful geographically, like much of Idaho, but a fully regressive religious, political, and social community.
 
But the OP was just trying to stir things up without any facts. If you trust people to accurately report what their sources say, you will be disappointed regularly. Take the extra couple minutes to read and confirm, and you won't be arguing something that is without grounding.

Ah, so even after having the facts pointed out to you, you rush back to illegal aliens. Illegal aliens, in the grand scheme of things for schools, are not a significant issue. Illegal aliens have nothing to do with the source article. Your fixation is kinda sad.

Irrelevant. The OP brought up illegal immigration. As such it is valid to talk about.
 
They don't even need the hate groups anymore. It's just threaded throughout the society, especially in podunk places like Bonner's Ferry. Beautiful geographically, like much of Idaho, but a fully regressive religious, political, and social community.

Oh please. :roll: I doubt you've ever even set foot in Bonners Ferry.
 
Oh please. :roll: I doubt you've ever even set foot in Bonners Ferry.
Then you'd be very wrong. Been through it and had customers who came into Boise as well, so I get the flavor, it's not like it's not obvious.
 
Then you'd be very wrong. Been through it and had customers who came into Boise as well, so I get the flavor, it's not like it's not obvious.

Going through it is not the same as stopping and living here. You don't know jack by a drive through.

As for your "customers", :shrug: I do admit that we have our share of idiots. But I doubt very seriously that you could name one single place in the entire world that doesn't.

Actually, got a little challenge for you. It will have course have to be based on the honor system. What is our biggest monument and what is it about? Don't look it up on the internet now. That would be cheating.
 
Going through it is not the same as stopping and living here. You don't know jack by a drive through.

As for your "customers", :shrug: I do admit that we have our share of idiots. But I doubt very seriously that you could name one single place in the entire world that doesn't.

Darlin', it's regressive. All I have to do is read your comments and your pride in it to know it's regressive. If it wasn't, you'd hate it.
 
Darlin', it's regressive. All I have to do is read your comments and your pride in it to know it's regressive. If it wasn't, you'd hate it.

:roll: Honey, if you're basing the entirety of BF on me then you DEFINITELY don't know jack about BF. Particularly since you don't know jack about me. I'm not religious. I'm for SSM. I'm Pro-Choice. I'm for a lot of things that many consider "liberal" ideologies. And so are all of my friends. So I guess you don't know near as much as you tout about BF. So tell me, how is any of this "regressive"? Oh right, its not. Your "knowledge" is tainted by some bad experience that you happened to have in Idaho (and obviously not in Bonners Ferry). You put everyone in Idaho down because of it. When in fact you don't know jack ****.
 
Irrelevant. The OP brought up illegal immigration. As such it is valid to talk about.


It is not an issue. Educate yourself. There are about 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the US. Roughly 6 % are school age. My calculator comes up with 702k illegal immigrants of school age. There are about 40 million students in the US K - 12. I get about 1.755 % of students tops are illegal aliens. It took me 5 minutes to get all that together. There is no excuse for ignorance nor perpetuating the lie in the OP.
 
:roll: Honey, if you're basing the entirety of BF on me then you DEFINITELY don't know jack about BF. Particularly since you don't know jack about me. I'm not religious. I'm for SSM. I'm Pro-Choice. I'm for a lot of things that many consider "liberal" ideologies. And so are all of my friends. So I guess you don't know near as much as you tout about BF. So tell me, how is any of this "regressive"? Oh right, its not. Your "knowledge" is tainted by some bad experience that you happened to have in Idaho (and obviously not in Bonners Ferry). You put everyone in Idaho down because of it. When in fact you don't know jack ****.

I lived in the only bluish area of Idaho for 2 decades, my ex's family lived in Moscow where my ex was raised, don't try to tell me I don't know enough about Idaho to paint it regressive. Been there, done that, and still return like it or not, to see my daughter until she can extricate herself.
 
It is not an issue. Educate yourself. There are about 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the US. Roughly 6 % are school age. My calculator comes up with 702k illegal immigrants of school age. There are about 40 million students in the US K - 12. I get about 1.755 % of students tops are illegal aliens. It took me 5 minutes to get all that together. There is no excuse for ignorance nor perpetuating the lie in the OP.

Most illegal immigrants are centered in a few states. Mostly the south western ones with a few exceptions.Which means those 702k illegal aliens of school age are centered upon those same states. They are not spread out all across the US like that 40 million is. Try adjusting your calculations to take that into effect. For instance out of 12 million illegals in this country there is an estimated 3 million some odd living just in Texas and California alone. Now since in this country people like to segregate themselves most of those illegals will be living generally in the same areas with in those states.

What are those schools like? Not exactly spacious huh? What's it like for the teachers being able to give one on one education as needed? Would you rather have your child in a classroom with 30 students? Or 20?

Now consider this....in 2010-11 the average cost per student was 12,608 dollars. 702k X 12,608 dollars = 8,850,816,000. Tell me...is that not a burden?

Link for price per student
 
I lived in the only bluish area of Idaho for 2 decades, my ex's family lived in Moscow where my ex was raised, don't try to tell me I don't know enough about Idaho to paint it regressive. Been there, done that, and still return like it or not, to see my daughter until she can extricate herself.

Sorry but you have proven that you don't know jack about BF. Despite your claim to know it. As such I doubt any other claim that you may make regarding the rest of Idaho.
 
Most illegal immigrants are centered in a few states. Mostly the south western ones with a few exceptions.Which means those 702k illegal aliens of school age are centered upon those same states. They are not spread out all across the US like that 40 million is. Try adjusting your calculations to take that into effect. For instance out of 12 million illegals in this country there is an estimated 3 million some odd living just in Texas and California alone. Now since in this country people like to segregate themselves most of those illegals will be living generally in the same areas with in those states.

What are those schools like? Not exactly spacious huh? What's it like for the teachers being able to give one on one education as needed? Would you rather have your child in a classroom with 30 students? Or 20?

Now consider this....in 2010-11 the average cost per student was 12,608 dollars. 702k X 12,608 dollars = 8,850,816,000. Tell me...is that not a burden?

Link for price per student

LoLz. US GDP is ~15.68 trillion. So your "burden" is .0628 %. On the list of issues facing this country, illegal students is WAY down that list. And the OP article has jack and **** to do with illegals anyway. You got lied to, and you are pushing that lie.
 
LoLz. US GDP is ~15.68 trillion. So your "burden" is .0628 %. On the list of issues facing this country, illegal students is WAY down that list. And the OP article has jack and **** to do with illegals anyway. You got lied to, and you are pushing that lie.

Umm...last I knew public schools were funded mainly by property taxes and state taxes and as you well know individual states do not make 15.68 trillion. Try again. And you never did answer my other question. Would you rather have your kids in a classroom size of 30 or 20?

And again, the OP brought up illegal immigrant kids in schools. As such it is valid to talk about. Whether the OP was wrong or not in regards to the article is irrelevant. The subject was brought up in the OP and as such is valid to talk about.
 
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While that certainly might be his thinking, it is not explicit nor sure. If "we" cannot figure out how to argue against stupid things without having to give them negative labels, then the problem is ours, not theirs.
You just called certain things "stupid" and yet just argued that we shouldn't label things negatively. Why do you consider "racist" a negative label, but you don't consider "stupid" a negative label?
 
So if you are still locked into the idea that the issue with "Mexican" kids in elementary schools is being driven by Obama's immigration policy (which is hilarious in and of itself since his admin has been deporting at record numbers AND the recession caused many to go back), it isn't, this is a trend in the making and it is not going to slow much, if at all. But as I said, if you think some homegrown help could help, send em a pizza.

This is the claim by the liberal left, and such has been outed as spin many times over, so one wonders why it is continually used....

"The administration is "playing a double game," argued Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors tighter immigration restrictions. "They're telling (pro-immigration) advocacy groups that they're focusing on the worst of the worst" by committing more resources to the most dangerous undocumented immigrants.

"But they're telling the broader public they've achieved record levels of deportations.

It's a clever spin."

So what are the facts? Nearly 400,000 individuals were removed from the country in fiscal year 2011, which ended September 30, according to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. ICE Director John Morton trumpeted the news, calling it the result of "smart and effective immigration enforcement" that depends on "setting clear priorities for removal and executing on those priorities."

The 396,906 figure is indeed a record -- but not by much. A total of 392,862 people were deported in 2010 -- a difference of little more than 1%, according to ICE. Almost 390,000 people were deported the year before that.
Significantly larger increases in the total number of deportations occurred during George W. Bush's administration. Fewer than 120,000 people were deported in 2001, when Bush took office.

Analysts say much of the change over the last decade has been due to the implementation of controversial federal-led measures such as Secure Communities initiative and the Criminal Alien Program, which are designed to root out undocumented immigrants accused or convicted of various criminal acts. Both measures predate Obama's presidency."

Obama's deportation record: inside the numbers - CNN.com
 
Most illegal immigrants are centered in a few states. Mostly the south western ones with a few exceptions.Which means those 702k illegal aliens of school age are centered upon those same states. They are not spread out all across the US like that 40 million is.

Not true

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The Borg ?

Let's focus on the issue and not hyperbolic references to science fiction bad guys.

First, we can look at the European Countries who've embraced the policy of Multi-culturalism to see whether or assimilation is critical or if it can be ignored in the hopes that we can retain some semblance of a National identity while immigrants poor in illegally with no intention of acknowledging our culture, our laws or the consequence of their actions.


Australian multiculturalism: learning from Europe's failings - Mongrel Nation - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

British PM: Multiculturalism has failed - World news - Europe | NBC News

“Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream,” Cameron said during a panel discussion attended by German Chancellor Angela Merkel. “We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong.”
He said the “hands-off tolerance” in Britain and other European nations has encouraged Muslims and other immigrant groups “to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream.”

Yes, multiculturalism over assimilation has worked wonders for Countries like Britain and France.:roll:

I'm sure the French Politicians wish they could have a do over on the multi cultural policies that have led to riots in Paris and a isolated population that refuses to assimilate. Hey, they were just poor disadvantaged Islamic youth who were demanding that parts of France be recognized as Islamic territory and that French law be replaced by Islamic law, or sharia.

Yea, assimilation is overrated..

' Whether you accept it or not, assimilation into a prevailing culture is critical and benefits not only American citizens but the immigrants. The problem is these " immigrants " are ILLEGAL immigrants, who've by-passed the process that naturalized citizens go through.

Naturalized citizens not only take an Oath upon receiving their citizenship but they must also demonstrate knowledge of U.S. history, politics, and government.

Millions of illegals from third world Countries are not only going to refuse to assimilate, they're going to burden already overloaded Social services, School District's and Hospitals. They are coming in with the INTENTION of being dependent wards of the State.

Millions of illegal immigrants, poorly educated or not educated at all, not loyal to the US, who are culturally predisposed to dependence AND who could care less how their actions affect the people of the Country they've just illegally entered into are exactly the type of people our immigration laws are set up to stop.

There's a point at which assimilation is good and a point at which their culture becomes part of ours. For example, if all the Italians that came decided that they were going to eat like Americans now, we wouldn't have pizza.

The kind of assimilation where they stop speaking their native language takes a couple of generations. The Polish immigrants used to have this idea in their heads that someday they'd all go back to Poland. Two or three generations down the line, they aren't.
 
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