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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Are you referring to people who came across the pacific from Asia?
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    It would be an incredibly new concept for hunter-gatherers.
    8,000 BCE or 4,000 BCE ... Had to start sometime.

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    I haven't heard that one before but it sounds like you're saying agriculture is the cause for the loss of fertility
    Over use of the soils. Yes.

    So how did Fertile Crescent peoples lose that big lead? The short answer is ecological suicide: They inadvertently destroyed the environmental resources on which their society depended. Just as the region's rise wasn't due to any special virtue of its people, its fall wasn't due to any special blindness on their part. Instead, they had the misfortune to be living in an extremely fragile environment, which, because of its low rainfall, was particularly susceptible to deforestation.

    The Erosion of Civilization - Los Angeles Times

    do you have any links for that? I would be interested in reading about it. AFAIK, the changes in the region were caused by climate and possibly aggravated by agricultural practices which used up the fertility. I have never heard of a theory that left climate changes out of it.

    PS - I also wonder if part of the reason for so little domestication of animals in the New World might be due to a shortage of domesticable animals on the continent.
    Agriculture fueled a population explosion, and also generated food surpluses that could be used to feed full-time professional specialists, who no longer had to devote time to procuring their own food.

    These specialists fed by agriculture included smiths and metal workers, who developed the world's first copper tools around 5000 BC, bronze tools around 3000 BC and iron tools around 1500 BC. The specialists also included accountants and scribes, who developed the world's first writing system around 3400 BC. That was a huge head start: Writing didn't reach what is now the United States until 5,000 years later. It makes Iraq's current rate of illiteracy an especially cruel irony.

    Agriculture also fed politicians, bureaucrats and judges. That's why the world's first states arose in Iraq around 3500 BC, and the first multiethnic empire arose there around 3000 BC.


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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    That's because most White children who come from money are enrolled in private schools to be segregated from students 'of color' for all the obvious reasons.........
    This is statistically incorrect... by a lot.
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Prove that the second generation doesn't speak English and doesn't participate in American culture and politics.
    You said "refusal to assimilate" not "doesn't speak English". If you have been to areas like I described then you would know what I am talking about. People speaking Spanish. Signs in Spanish. Firing of white American teachers in order to get in Mexican teachers. Non-support of USA soccer team in favour of Mexico (watch world cup and look at all the flags.)

    Now this does not mean that they are bad people or anything... just that they are not so interested in "assimilating".
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yes, I was there yesterday and saw plenty of English signage and plenty of people speaking English. And I'm in La Puente, talk about Latino community, and still 2nd generation are fluent in English, go to pubic school, have iphones and other American culture items,... there is one small grocery that is predominately Spanish language products, but the people working there speak English and have no problem helping an ignorantly uni-lingual 'merican like me. There are also two other grocers same within a block or so that are just your normal Vons or Food4Less or Walmart Marketplace so it's not like I can't go somewhere else just as easily. My printer about three blocks away is Iranian, and there are dozens of Asian owned restaurants throughout.

    I think you just try to focus on things that offend you and are way too easily offended.
    I am not offended. I like Mexican food and speak Spanish. Two of our top five places to eat are Supermex and Taco Mesa.

    Assimilation does not happen in Little Saigon, China Town, Little Italy or any other heavily populated and isolated area of immigrants.
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Those countries have had many changes and ups and downs over the centuries, just as every western nation has. They have made many major technological acheivements and they are currently thriving economically, all without a significant Christian influence.
    The Japanese are NOT " striving economically ". They've been struggling for what ? Over 20 years now ?

    Because their Politicians are more loyal to a economic premise based on ideology rather than economic principles based on reality.

    They've tried and tried again to deficit spend their way out of a recession ( 10 Stimulus packages totaling 10 Trillion Yen in 10 years ) and they even " invested in infrastructure ".

    It didn't work.

    Now, they've entered into a ridiculous Monetary stimulus as a last ditch effort to save their economy.
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    Its not working. How could it ?

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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not offended. I like Mexican food and speak Spanish. Two of our top five places to eat are Supermex and Taco Mesa.

    Assimilation does not happen in Little Saigon, China Town, Little Italy or any other heavily populated and isolated area of immigrants.
    You just said that about Santa Ana and Latinos, and are wrong, so why in any rational world would I believe this? Seriously.
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    You just said that about Santa Ana and Latinos, and are wrong, so why in any rational world would I believe this? Seriously.
    I see. Make it personal instead of just debating the issue. Good for you. I must be a racist too, huh?

    He made a point about assimilation and he brought up the Latinos. Why I would try to impress upon you anything but the truth is beyond me.

    Just to be clear:

    You don't believe that I like Mexican food.
    You don't believe that I speak Spanish.
    You don't believe that I love to eat at Taco Mesa or Supermex.
    You believe that assimilation can occur when immigrants isolate themselves, and
    You believe that I am offended.

    Those conclusions are literally so stupid that I am in awe that you would actually utter them...

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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Make sure your chicken and burgers are fully cooked - you don't want a Bachmann surprise.
    Update on my granddaughter's birthday party/cookout on Sunday. We were swarmed with birthday girl's friends - I thought it was just family celebrating - and so did my daughter-in-law- , who ended up ordering about a dozen pizzas, to feed everyone. I thought of you and the "Bachmann surprise" when I saw those pizzas, and I laughed and laughed, silently of course!

    Being the matriarch of the family, I suggested - nicely demanded actually - that the BD girl take her friends to another part of the yard to eat...the adults wanted to be able to talk to each other without shouting! Good time was had by all, though, at a memorable birthday party! .... Birthday cake was an "ice cream cake" from Dairy Queen, and it was good! Good thing DIL had ordered a large cake, though, even though our slices ended up quite small!! BTW, BG claimed no prior knowledge of the invasion, which made us all believe they are endowed with ESP when they're young....it was the only thing that made sense, right? :

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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The authors of Sex at Dawn (excllent book BTW) report that the archeological evidence shows significantly worse nutrition and reduced populations duing the early generations of agrarian living after abandoning the hunter/gathering life. It does not get into the environmental pressures that might have led to the abandonment of hunting/gathering. My guess is that rising human population levels may also be a factor.
    Rising population is an environmental factor. Maybe I should have made it clearer as to what I was referring to when I spoke of environmental factors.

    Anyway, I was looking into the issue last night, and it appears there are several theories as to why hunter-gathering societies switched to agriculture. One theory is rising population. Another suggests that a tradition of tying social standing to the ability to throw parties where large amounts of food was served encouraged those who sought higher standing to engage in more productive means. Another theory ties it to rising spirituality which motivated groups to build ever larger shrines and monuments to the gods, an activity which required a surplus in order to feed the workers engaged in such construction.

    There were a few others, but I don't remember them off the top of my head.
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes
    Were there horses where they landed?

    Either way, it's unreasonable to think they should have domesticated horses when no one else in the world had and even though those others had longer to do so.

    on edit: Furthermore, they also did not have any prior experience domesticating wild animals (AFAIK) such as goats. I suspect the Americas are lacking domesticable animals

    8,000 BCE or 4,000 BCE ... Had to start sometime.
    Again, there was no need given the abundance of resources. There was no motivation to do so. IOW, the lack of domesticating horses, or developing agriculture is not the result of any cultural inferiority. It was the result of circumstance, as Jared Diamond argues.



    Over use of the soils. Yes.
    So not exactly an argument for the superiority of cultures that engaged in agriculture, eh?

    So how did Fertile Crescent peoples lose that big lead? The short answer is ecological suicide: They inadvertently destroyed the environmental resources on which their society depended. Just as the region's rise wasn't due to any special virtue of its people, its fall wasn't due to any special blindness on their part. Instead, they had the misfortune to be living in an extremely fragile environment, which, because of its low rainfall, was particularly susceptible to deforestation.

    The Erosion of Civilization - Los Angeles Times



    Agriculture fueled a population explosion, and also generated food surpluses that could be used to feed full-time professional specialists, who no longer had to devote time to procuring their own food.

    These specialists fed by agriculture included smiths and metal workers, who developed the world's first copper tools around 5000 BC, bronze tools around 3000 BC and iron tools around 1500 BC. The specialists also included accountants and scribes, who developed the world's first writing system around 3400 BC. That was a huge head start: Writing didn't reach what is now the United States until 5,000 years later. It makes Iraq's current rate of illiteracy an especially cruel irony.

    Agriculture also fed politicians, bureaucrats and judges. That's why the world's first states arose in Iraq around 3500 BC, and the first multiethnic empire arose there around 3000 BC.


    The Erosion of Civilization - Los Angeles Times
    Thanks for the link and the quotes (and the discussion). It's been interesting
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