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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    More than race, many feel that their American culture will be effected, that the American traditions will be overwhelmed by the Latino culture and traditions. Mexico, for example, does not have an inspiring record in the equality under the law, traditions of a free press, or the human rights Americans are accustomed to.

    Discouraging English to be taught in schools, for example, will have as much of a positive effect on the Latino people as Ebonics had on Black students.
    The inequalities in the politics and laws of South and Central America are the result of govts that the US has supported and even promoted.

    IOW, it's the US that has a disappointing record of promoting equality under the law, a free press, or human rights, in those countries.
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    My immigrant grandparents on both sides worked their fingers to the bone - one side in a steel mill in NY the other in Volks slaughter house as butchers in the early 1900's. They were white immigrants from Eastern Europe, while my mothers side of the family was fleeing Hitler in Yugolavia where the Serbs took over, rounded up anyone who stayed, shot them by the dozens and buried them in mass graves. Making like only minorities of color worked in this country is a lie, and you don't know **** about it.
    The topic presented and which I was responding referenced the Civil War, not WWII. Keep up.

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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Brouwer View Post
    It's damn annoying when someone gets called out on their BS and then plays the victim card. If you're gonna hint that changing demographics is bad when it means a lower percentage of whites, expect to be called a racist.
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    To my mind, racism requires a feeling of superiority or inferiority of a race compared to others. While the OP post is racial, I think it does not rise to the level of racism. We need to stop overusing the term racist. Something does not have to be racist to be bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brouwer View Post
    Why else, other than some sort of disadvantage, would whites being a minority at a school be bad? The OP implies there's something wrong with the trend without stating why. Hence, until he states why, it's fair to assume it is racism.
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    Simple dislike of other. I don't like speculating on the motives of others, in part because motives tend to be complex and multi-layered.
    Am I to presume you'd prefer to call the prevailing attitude in the OP prejudicial or bias then? Wouldn't either points of view lean towards an attitude of White superiority which in itself implies racism?
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Really, because hiring slaves to do all the work is equal to "the very economy whites made vibrant and strong?" I think you're confused. It's blacks, and orientals, that worked they're fingers, backs, and all part of their bodies to the bone while white men sat on their asses.

    Immigrant labor made the economy and the infrastructure that made the economy vibrant and strong. How totally "white" of you to think otherwise.
    Please read my post (#244) which you quoted again. I think you'll find we share the same opinion on the matter.

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    More than race, many feel that their American culture will be effected, that the American traditions will be overwhelmed by the Latino culture and traditions. Mexico, for example, does not have an inspiring record in the equality under the law, traditions of a free press, or the human rights Americans are accustomed to.

    Discouraging English to be taught in schools, for example, will have as much of a positive effect on the Latino people as Ebonics had on Black students.
    From the standpoint of assimilation, I tend to agree with you. But will America learn from its failed practices of the past where it fought so hard not to allow Native Americans the opportunity to assimilate into American culture? Or the Chinese? For nearly 100 years Black? And now Mexicans/Hispanics?

    Of the four, I'd say Blacks had an advantage in that while slaves they came to learn the ways of the White man not from a tactical point of view, i.e., Indians, but social and culturally. Thus, assimilation ultimately was easier. Of course, if Whites would have been more willing to get out of the way and let the laws of nature run its course I think relationships between Blacks and Whites would have greatly improved in their own way over time. But fear and this sense of national ownership got in the way.

    Those who hold power and influence today are bound to make the same mistakes. You see it festering in the very OP that has caused such an uproar among posters.
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yes, and the Patriot Act was kept and continues to be kept by Democrats. You and I can go tit for tat on anti-freedom documents by either party all day long. However, one side seems to embrace large government more than the other. Do you disagree?
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Please read my post (#244) which you quoted again. I think you'll find we share the same opinion on the matter.



    From the standpoint of assimilation, I tend to agree with you. But will America learn from its failed practices of the past where it fought so hard not to allow Native Americans the opportunity to assimilate into American culture? Or the Chinese? For nearly 100 years Black? And now Mexicans/Hispanics?

    Of the four, I'd say Blacks had an advantage in that while slaves they came to learn the ways of the White man not from a tactical point of view, i.e., Indians, but social and culturally. Thus, assimilation ultimately was easier. Of course, if Whites would have been more willing to get out of the way and let the laws of nature run its course I think relationships between Blacks and Whites would have greatly improved in their own way over time. But fear and this sense of national ownership got in the way.

    Those who hold power and influence today are bound to make the same mistakes. You see it festering in the very OP that has caused such an uproar among posters.
    Perhaps I misunderstood your point.

    As for assimilation, if these folks really believe one should assimilate to the culture of the country they are entering, we should all be Native American in culture by now. They don't believe what they are saying, not really. They only mean that assimilation is best if non-hispanic whites is the culture that has to be assimilated into.
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

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    Just another sign that the "open borders" quasi policy is on a path to overburden our systems...What say you?

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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by summerwind View Post
    really, because hiring slaves to do all the work is equal to "the very economy whites made vibrant and strong?" i think you're confused. it's blacks, and orientals, that worked they're fingers, backs, and all part of their bodies to the bone while white men sat on their asses.

    immigrant labor made the economy and the infrastructure that made the economy vibrant and strong. How totally "white" of you to think otherwise.
    wow...

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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    That's from the 2000 census, the one I linked is with data from the 2010 census, I even bolded the pertinent part. Try to keep up.
    The only time your link mentions "unauthorized immigrants" is when talking about the total population of Idaho. IE: 2.2% of the total population in Idaho is made up of illegal aliens. No where does it state that out of 12 million illegal immigrants in the entire US, 2.2 percent of the 12 million live in Idaho. Which is what we are talking about. Again, your posts show an inadequate knowledge of reading comprehension.
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    Re: White students to no longer be majority at school[W:62]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
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    The 2.3% figure for Idaho is not the % of all undocumented immigrants in the US. It's the % representing how much of Idaho's population is comprised of undocumented immigrants
    Which just goes to show that you and her have no clue as to what me and Redress was talking about.
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