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Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

Unitedwestand13 said:
what can obama do when a majority of the american people oppose any further involvement in iraq?
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He can lead, make the case, and go from there-THATS WHAT LEADERS DO. They make their case, instead of simply waiting for the polling-in fact he's not running for reelection and probably is going to lose the senate anyway-SO THIS IS THE TIME TO LEAD.

President weak sauce doesn't even know what to do-he does not want the fallout from the collapsing iraq (to terrorists, leaving the US worse off than before the invasion) but at the same time, his entire presidency was based on getting out of Iraq. He has his lefties to worry about-so to ramp up a military presence there (and just before the mid terms no less) essentially means another high profile failure (like Git Mo, the NSA, the ACA, etc). He also has his legacy (which is not going to be good) to think about.

Nobody knows WHAT his policy is? Whats the Obama doctrine in the ME? Can you tell me?
 
US Conservative said:
He can lead, make the case, and go from there-THATS WHAT LEADERS DO. They make their case, instead of simply waiting for the polling-in fact he's not running for reelection and probably is going to lose the senate anyway-SO THIS IS THE TIME TO LEAD.

President weak sauce doesn't even know what to do-he does not want the fallout from the collapsing iraq (to terrorists, leaving the US worse off than before the invasion) but at the same time, his entire presidency was based on getting out of Iraq. He has his lefties to worry about-so to ramp up a military presence there (and just before the mid terms no less) essentially means another high profile failure (like Git Mo, the NSA, the ACA, etc). He also has his legacy (which is not going to be good) to think about.

Nobody knows WHAT his policy is? Whats the Obama doctrine in the ME? Can you tell me?
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I doubt that Obama cares much about his legacy with the general American public. His legacy in far left circles, or the Muslim world, will be more important to him.
 
Grant said:
I doubt that Obama cares much about his legacy with the general American public. His legacy in far left circles, or the Muslim world, will be more important to him.
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You might be right, in the end he will be remembered as a piss-poor president who also happened to be bi-racial. To libs this will mean the world. :doh
 
US Conservative said:
He can lead, make the case, and go from there-THATS WHAT LEADERS DO. They make their case, instead of simply waiting for the polling-in fact he's not running for reelection and probably is going to lose the senate anyway-SO THIS IS THE TIME TO LEAD.

President weak sauce doesn't even know what to do-he does not want the fallout from the collapsing iraq (to terrorists, leaving the US worse off than before the invasion) but at the same time, his entire presidency was based on getting out of Iraq. He has his lefties to worry about-so to ramp up a military presence there (and just before the mid terms no less) essentially means another high profile failure (like Git Mo, the NSA, the ACA, etc). He also has his legacy (which is not going to be good) to think about.

Nobody knows WHAT his policy is? Whats the Obama doctrine in the ME? Can you tell me?
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You're still complaining that Obama followed the Bush administration's withdrawal plans?
 
Hatuey said:
You're still complaining that Obama followed the Bush administration's withdrawal plans?
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But, Obama's now saying that it's all Bush's fault.
 
apdst said:
But, Obama's now saying that it's all Bush's fault.
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Yeah, typical. Of course that meme from this president and his administration has lost all credibility for a long time now, just as much as this president and his administration have lost all their credibility right along with it.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, apdst. :2wave:

According to the article, help is arriving "too little, too late" for most of the survivors stranded on the mountain! These are families with children who were trying to escape being slaughtered by ISIS! How very, very sad! :boohoo:
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"But...but...we didn't know", is the excuse de jour for that...lol!
 
apdst said:
"But...but...we didn't know", is the excuse de jour for that...lol!
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:bs: When a satellite in space can identify a license plate on a car on the ground in the US, that excuse doesn't wash! :no:
 
Grant said:
It seems you're new to this controversy.

The Bush administration fully expected troops to remain in Iraq, after further negotiations, but Barrack Obama wanted all troops withdrawn.

Of course he is now backing down from that position, claiming that it was the fault of the Iraqis.

Why anyone would try to defend this serial liar defies all logic.
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This is a common tactic with republicans. When you are caught in a lie, just continue to deny it and put forth a well-orchestrated story to the contrary regardless of facts. With the help of hollow-headed talking heads, aka Rush Limbaugh and company, and eventually the lemmings will memorize this talking point.
 
apdst said:
Who campaigned on, "I will get us out of Iraq"? Now, "it's the other guy's fault".
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Irrelevant. Campaign promises aren't law. So I ask you again: Who drew the withdrawal plan and constrained us to December 31st, 2011 withdrawal date? :) I'll wait for you to answer.
 
Hatuey said:
Irrelevant. Campaign promises aren't law. So I ask you again: Who drew the withdrawal plan and constrained us to December 31st, 2011 withdrawal date? :) I'll wait for you to answer.
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Irrelevant...now that Obama looks the fool...again. :roll:
 
apdst said:
Irrelevant.
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It's only irrelevant because by admitting whose withdrawal plan he's following, you'd have to admit that a Republican administration's plan for Iraq was a massive failure. Stay honest adpst. ;)
 
Jetboogieman said:
Love how many conservatives are promoting how great life would have been if America had just stayed in a perpetual war forever to score cheap political points.
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Yeah it pisses me off too. Most of them don't have to actually deploy when the decision is made so its easy for them to volunteer others.
 
Hatuey said:
It's only irrelevant because by admitting whose withdrawal plan he's following, you'd have to admit that a Republican administration's plan for Iraq was a massive failure. Stay honest adpst. ;)
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Obama wants Iraq to fail, so he can blame it on Bush. Hence the reason he's letting everything go to ****. Stay honest Hatuy.
 
apdst said:
Obama wants Iraq to fail
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You mean, it didn't fail for those 6 years the Bush administration was involved in it? Boy, you're definitely an optimist. It's a shame you ignore the fact that it was entirely dependent on us for security, it failed to establish a stable political system and the politicians who were put in charge completely ignored everything the US said. Yeah, but it wasn't a failure from the moment the US set foot there. As I said, stay honest apdst. ;)
 
Hatuey said:
You mean, it didn't fail for those 6 years the Bush administration was involved in it? Boy, you're definitely an optimist. It's a shame you ignore the fact that it was entirely dependent on us for security, it failed to establish a stable political system and the politicians who were put in charge completely ignored everything the US said. Yeah, but it wasn't a failure from the moment the US set foot there. As I said, stay honest apdst. ;)
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"I promised to end the war and that's what I did"...sound familiar?
 
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