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Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

That's weird. I served 20 years in the military in 4 different countries and the military personnel and contractors serving in those countries did not have immunity from prosecution by the local government. If you broke a local government law, you stood trial in their court. Most of the SOFA revolved on who had jurisdiction on the American military bases which housed the troops and equipment, the leased hotels and buildings etc. SOFA can also include rules of engagement and a whole bunch of other things. No one ever had immunity except those Embassy Personnel with diplomatic passports. Usually military personnel serving in a foreign country are subject to the laws of that country just like an American tourist would be.

Are you sure President Obama wanted immunity for all the military and contractors? If so you are putting all of the military and contractors in the same category as the Ambassador and the Embassy staff. I never heard of this ever being requested. But there is always a first time for everything. Even when I was an Assistant Attache, I did not have immunity although I carried an embassy ID.

Troops in Vietnam weren't charged with a crime for killing RVN citizens who were either collateral damage or fighting with the enemy and prosecuted under RVN law, were they?
 
Yeah, we shoulda let Saddam keep Kuwait and possibly invade Saudi Arabia!

Yeah, and although genocide and murdering any suspected political opponents is frowned upon in some circles, those rape rooms could work. If those who want peace will say or do nothing about clitorectomies, honor killings, using children as explosive devices, stoning women to death, decapitating Christians and so on, why should a few rape rooms bother them?
 
You'be been asking questions all the way along, only reading the headlines, and now you think you know what was going on in Iraq before Obama pulled the troops out?

It wasn't a secret media outlets were blaring it non-stop and the left was downright pissed that he was about to break his promise to bring the troops home. Anyone even paying the least amount of attention knew at the time how and why the SOFA agreement was refused by the Iraqi parliment.

Ultimately though I know this doesn't fit into your narative. So go on believing in what-ever fantasy / alternate reality you care to.
 
Right.



That, too.



The same reason those Shia politicians didn't support renewing the SOFA: populism.



To blame for what? SOFA breaking down?

So Obama lied about US foreign policy? Should we take your word over 3 bipartisan senators?
For what? For the current genocidal massacre. He's blaming intelligence now-not sofa, and not getting bogged down.
By mere coincidence, no doubt-it's to his apparent political benefit to blame others.
 
Were you ever involved in such fighting you described here ?
Troops in Vietnam weren't charged with a crime for killing RVN citizens who were either collateral damage or fighting with the enemy and prosecuted under RVN law, were they?
 
More lying false-equivalence.
Back to the B.I.L. Zone for you .
Yeah, we shoulda let Saddam keep Kuwait and possibly invade Saudi Arabia!
 
So Obama lied about US foreign policy? Should we take your word over 3 bipartisan senators?
For what? For the current genocidal massacre. He's blaming intelligence now-not sofa, and not getting bogged down.
By mere coincidence, no doubt-it's to his apparent political benefit to blame others.

What? Is this about getting Obama to you? Oh okay, sorry, I was just talking about facts. My bad! I'll let you go back to getting Obama! Get him!!!
 
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So Obama lied about US foreign policy? Should we take your word over 3 bipartisan senators?
For what? For the current genocidal massacre. He's blaming intelligence now-not sofa, and not getting bogged down.
By mere coincidence, no doubt-it's to his apparent political benefit to blame others.

What exactly is it about the Iraqi Parliments refusal refusal to ratify a new SOFA agreement that you don't understand? And what is all this bad-intelligence you keep blathering about. Are you suggesting the administration has come out and blamed the Iraqi parliments refusal to extend the SOFA agreement on bad intelligence? If so could you provide a link?
 
Heree since you all refuse to accept actual history herre is the story from a source I think you'll trust:

Fox News: whole story here

Iraq faces a greater risk of renewed violence if U.S. forces are told to leave Iraq, top U.S. lawmakers warned Sunday as the White House insisted negotiations to keep some U.S. troops in Iraq haven't been abandoned even though Iraqi officials remain adamant they not get immunity if they remain.

As the clock ticks down to a Dec. 31 withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, both sides say they want U.S. forces to stay in Iraq in training and peacekeeping capacities.

But a senior government official in Iraq told Fox News on Sunday that all Iraqi political blocks agree U.S. troops should not have immunity from prosecutions for killing Iraqi civilians or others if they stay beyond 2011. That's a deal breaker for the Pentagon.
 
Heree since you all refuse to accept actual history herre is the story from a source I think you'll trust:

Fox News: whole story here
It seems you are only reading part of the link again.
 
It seems you are only reading part of the link again.

OK I'll bite. so what are we in disagreement about or are you just trolling at this point in time. Because you definately don't don't appear to grasp the concept that we cannot stay if a SOFA is not in place.
 
Yeah, and although genocide and murdering any suspected political opponents is frowned upon in some circles, those rape rooms could work. If those who want peace will say or do nothing about clitorectomies, honor killings, using children as explosive devices, stoning women to death, decapitating Christians and so on, why should a few rape rooms bother them?

Saddam could have controlled all that Saudi oil, too. What could go wrong?
 
And Bush got us in the ****ed up mess in the first place.

That's what happens when you vote for Republicans.

Actually this is a new one all on Obama
 
Were you ever involved in such fighting you described here ?

What difference does it make? I asked Perotista a question about Voetnam, because HE WAS THERE.

What unit were you in? The 357th Airborne Horse Artillery Battalion?
 
Saying we should have let Saddam keep Kuwait and invade Saudi Arabia.
Papa Bush knew what he was doing keeping the buffer Saddam--as sick as that may be in a sick world.
What did I lie about?

Just think, if Saddam was around and had taken out the Saudis, they wouldn't be funding ISIS .
 
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Were you involved in such fighting you described ?
What difference does it make? I asked Perotista a question about Voetnam, because HE WAS THERE.

What unit were you in? The 357th Airborne Horse Artillery Battalion?
 
And Republicans have a BUT after every comment they are now making, slamming Obama for the world to see.
Actually this is a new one all on Obama
Good thing Bush-43 didn't have Democrats wanting a dozen different ways to conduct foreign policy huh.?
The GOP is full of Chiefs and not many Indians .
 
And Republicans have a BUT after every comment they are now making, slamming Obama for the world to see.

Good thing Bush-43 didn't have Democrats wanting a dozen different ways to conduct foreign policy huh.?
The GOP is full of Chiefs and not many Indians .

The GOP is all Indians, and no Chiefs. When the dems lose the senate we can see how they like the new situation.
 
This could have all been avoided if we had taken Saddam out the first time and were fully committed to building a democracy in Iraq. We did not send in enough troops, We NEEDED to occupy and control Iraq and then after 2-3 decades, return full control to the Iraqi government. It needed to be done the way Japan was done after WW2. Instead, we went in half assed, did a poor job because we politicized the war instead of fighting it like we have done with every war since WW2. The politicalization of war since WW2 has been a failing strategy. Once we decide to declare war, politicians should be hands off and allow the military to do what needs to be done to get the job done. Ever since the vietnam war protests started, our country has been in decline. That is when PC started. I think if you look back 100 years from now, we will pinpoint the beginning of failure to the vietnam era protests.
 
Saddam could have controlled all that Saudi oil, too. What could go wrong?

Greetings, apdst. :2wave:

:agree: Wait until we have to start paying double what we are currently paying for a gallon of gas! ISIS is not stupid, and they hate us and they know how to hurt us!
 
Your amusement betrays your lack of insight. IRAN IS THERE BECAUSE WE AREN'T. They are filling a power vacuum left by Democrat party incompetence. This reality does not mean anyone else likes Iran, it means the world is so twisted under Obama. And as far as training-Islamist groups were around before Bush, and they are greatly increasing now. This is democrat party politics in action.

Iran is there because Bush handpicked a Iranian sympathizer(and a terrorist) to be President who kicked us out following orders from Iran. Malachi has been running Iraq as a Shiite dictatorship and spent more time in Tehran than Bagdad. The Sunnis simply decided they could not take it any more and the radicals were given free reign.
We could not spend eternity getting soldiers legs blown off and acting as targets for terrorists. Is that what you think we should have done? Obama followed Bush's plan to tee and its failure was pre-ordained by the Bush Administration who had no idea how to handle the mess they created by ousting Saddam. Like Rummy said when washing his hands of it...."Democracy is messy" Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/04/28/what-we-left-behind
 
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