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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    What short, selective memories some people have. There was alot of Iraqi public outrage over civilian casualties by both soldiers and us contractors alike. Wikileaks releasing the video of the 2 apache helecopter killing more civilians in april 2010 just threw gasoline on that fire. These situations amongst others were what was fueling alot of the public outrage at the US troops and contractors and since the Iraqi parliment refused to extend US personnell immunity from the Iraqi legal system (political suicide) there was no way to get a SOFA agreement approved. This had absolutely nothing to do with any failure of Obama's and everything to do with the public outrage regarding all the collateral damage that had occurred during the war.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What's another $trillion or 2? It's not like we are short of money. That's the ugly truth of the Republicans. They talk cheap and spend BIG.
    BHO is a Republican???

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You would have to read the entire link and you obviously haven't done that.
    And here is one now....

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    This whole situation spawned from the US getting involved there in the first place.
    Yeah, we shoulda let Saddam keep Kuwait and possibly invade Saudi Arabia!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    What short, selective memories some people have. There was alot of Iraqi public outrage over civilian casualties by both soldiers and us contractors alike. Wikileaks releasing the video of the 2 apache helecopter killing more civilians in april 2010 just threw gasoline on that fire. These situations amongst others were what was fueling alot of the public outrage at the US troops and contractors and since the Iraqi parliment refused to extend US personnell immunity from the Iraqi legal system (political suicide) there was no way to get a SOFA agreement approved. This had absolutely nothing to do with any failure of Obama's and everything to do with the public outrage regarding all the collateral damage that had occurred during the war.
    You'be been asking questions all the way along, only reading the headlines, and now you think you know what was going on in Iraq before Obama pulled the troops out?

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That's weird. I served 20 years in the military in 4 different countries and the military personnel and contractors serving in those countries did not have immunity from prosecution by the local government. If you broke a local government law, you stood trial in their court. Most of the SOFA revolved on who had jurisdiction on the American military bases which housed the troops and equipment, the leased hotels and buildings etc. SOFA can also include rules of engagement and a whole bunch of other things. No one ever had immunity except those Embassy Personnel with diplomatic passports. Usually military personnel serving in a foreign country are subject to the laws of that country just like an American tourist would be.

    Are you sure President Obama wanted immunity for all the military and contractors? If so you are putting all of the military and contractors in the same category as the Ambassador and the Embassy staff. I never heard of this ever being requested. But there is always a first time for everything. Even when I was an Assistant Attache, I did not have immunity although I carried an embassy ID.
    Troops in Vietnam weren't charged with a crime for killing RVN citizens who were either collateral damage or fighting with the enemy and prosecuted under RVN law, were they?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, we shoulda let Saddam keep Kuwait and possibly invade Saudi Arabia!
    Yeah, and although genocide and murdering any suspected political opponents is frowned upon in some circles, those rape rooms could work. If those who want peace will say or do nothing about clitorectomies, honor killings, using children as explosive devices, stoning women to death, decapitating Christians and so on, why should a few rape rooms bother them?

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You'be been asking questions all the way along, only reading the headlines, and now you think you know what was going on in Iraq before Obama pulled the troops out?
    It wasn't a secret media outlets were blaring it non-stop and the left was downright pissed that he was about to break his promise to bring the troops home. Anyone even paying the least amount of attention knew at the time how and why the SOFA agreement was refused by the Iraqi parliment.

    Ultimately though I know this doesn't fit into your narative. So go on believing in what-ever fantasy / alternate reality you care to.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Right.



    That, too.



    The same reason those Shia politicians didn't support renewing the SOFA: populism.



    To blame for what? SOFA breaking down?
    So Obama lied about US foreign policy? Should we take your word over 3 bipartisan senators?
    For what? For the current genocidal massacre. He's blaming intelligence now-not sofa, and not getting bogged down.
    By mere coincidence, no doubt-it's to his apparent political benefit to blame others.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Were you ever involved in such fighting you described here ?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Troops in Vietnam weren't charged with a crime for killing RVN citizens who were either collateral damage or fighting with the enemy and prosecuted under RVN law, were they?
    Physics is Phun

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