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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq
    By PETER BAKERAUG. 7, 2014



    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/wo...tion.html?_r=0

    So Obama pulled out of Iraq at all costs, and this is the result.

    This is what happens when people vote for Democrats.
    No, we made the mistake of voting for Republicans that insisted that we go into Iraq in the first place. We are still dealing with the consequences of that dumb idea. Sorry that Barack misplayed the bad hand he was dealt.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, we made the mistake of voting for Republicans that insisted that we go into Iraq in the first place. We are still dealing with the consequences of that dumb idea. Sorry that Barack misplayed the bad hand he was dealt.
    9/11 occurred after the elections and both Republicans and Democrats voted for the invasion of Iraq..

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    So how exactly was this Obama's doing then?
    I didn't say it was his doing....I don't blame any single President, as all of them are interventionists in the middle east.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm confused. Are you saying that him pulling out is killing innocents or that he is attacking now is killing innocents? Also, at some point, Iraq has to stand on it's own doesn't?
    Its certainly possible you might be confused. Obama pulled out of Iraq before it was militarily advisable to do so. Our military experts all told Obama it was unwise and could very well lead to a terrorist invasion (as the same group of terrorists fled Syria episodically). We left cold turkey-and the terrorists figured out the coast was clear. The Iraqi govt saw the same problem and asked for help again and again. When Fallujah was captured in January, Obama did nothing.

    What he DID do, was take the responsibility for pulling out-telling Romney in the 2012 debates that he didn't want to be weighed down, and then contradict himself and blame it on a status of forces agreement (the same one that was magically approved overnight as the terrorists invaded ).

    Today, I see he is blaming bad intelligence-of course he PULLED our intelligence out of Iraq, and then ignored the news he was getting.
    Obama: Bad Intelligence Behind ISIS Underestimation

    In the mean time, a throwback to the dark ages known as Islamist terrorists have been raping and pillaging and destroying ancient religious holy sites of great historical and cultural interest. They are committing genocide against entire ethnic and religious enclaves, and they are doing it with smiles on their faces. That would be the face of evil-and we should never have left-our absence is what caused this-Obama has lost the PEACE, and therefore the war to islamist thugs. Even worse, he's about to make the same mistake in Afghanistan.

    The innocents killed, not just now but since 2003 have been disrespected because Obama wanted a talking point in the elections. EVERY service member who has fought since 2001 has been spit on by this President, let alone the veterans who died on his watch.

    THIS is what incompetence looks like-the democrat party and its demonstrably failed policies.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    In US Conservatives eyes this will instantly happen when a republican is elected president (if that ever happens again). Then referring to a past president's failure will become his hobby.
    No. Its going to take some time to undo the damage done by this president-on all fronts. But a President who leads, and who has a clear vision he can execute will be a refreshing change. This is what happens with democrats in office.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, we made the mistake of voting for Republicans that insisted that we go into Iraq in the first place. We are still dealing with the consequences of that dumb idea. Sorry that Barack misplayed the bad hand he was dealt.
    You are factually incorrect about Iraq, see the included video.

    After the video, ponder the fact that Obama is now blaming bad intelligence for the disaster in Iraq-the SAME excuse Bush used, except he was vilified for it.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I must admit I never saw / read any of the actual SOFA proposals, but there was alot of controversy over Blackwater's allegedly killing of civillians as well as the Apache mowing down civilians movie that got exposed by wiki leaks. My understanding was that due to (at the time) the current SOFA agreemnt dis-allowed the Iraqi goverment from prosecuting those individuals and our Governments refusal to allow the prosecucution of the "casualties of war" type scenarios was the deal killer in the Iraqi parliments point of view. I can attempt and go dig up the articles if you wish.
    No need. There is a huge difference between casualties of war prosecution and prosecution for local crimes. We basically had as you put it immunity from all types of casualties of war in both Vietnam and Laos. But we could still be prosecuted by either country if we broke any of their laws while not on a mission dealing with the prosecution of the war.

    Perhaps the word immunity is what threw me off. There is a difference between full immunity such as diplomats have and partial immunity and no immunity at all. Stuff happens in war, I can understand the casualties of war clause which is basically standard although I didn't think of it in my first post as the word immunity had me thinking along another line. We have had plenty of soldiers tried and convicted in Germany of breaking their laws, Thailand also. The same in Vietnam, but what they did, the crimes were not war related.

    Total or full immunity is what I was thinking. But I think I now understand.
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Love how many conservatives are promoting how great life would have been if America had just stayed in a perpetual war forever to score cheap political points.
    What's another $trillion or 2? It's not like we are short of money. That's the ugly truth of the Republicans. They talk cheap and spend BIG.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its certainly possible you might be confused. Obama pulled out of Iraq before it was militarily advisable to do so. Our military experts all told Obama it was unwise and could very well lead to a terrorist invasion (as the same group of terrorists fled Syria episodically). We left cold turkey-and the terrorists figured out the coast was clear. The Iraqi govt saw the same problem and asked for help again and again. When Fallujah was captured in January, Obama did nothing.

    What he DID do, was take the responsibility for pulling out-telling Romney in the 2012 debates that he didn't want to be weighed down, and then contradict himself and blame it on a status of forces agreement (the same one that was magically approved overnight as the terrorists invaded ).

    Today, I see he is blaming bad intelligence-of course he PULLED our intelligence out of Iraq, and then ignored the news he was getting.
    Obama: Bad Intelligence Behind ISIS Underestimation

    In the mean time, a throwback to the dark ages known as Islamist terrorists have been raping and pillaging and destroying ancient religious holy sites of great historical and cultural interest. They are committing genocide against entire ethnic and religious enclaves, and they are doing it with smiles on their faces. That would be the face of evil-and we should never have left-our absence is what caused this-Obama has lost the PEACE, and therefore the war to islamist thugs. Even worse, he's about to make the same mistake in Afghanistan.

    The innocents killed, not just now but since 2003 have been disrespected because Obama wanted a talking point in the elections. EVERY service member who has fought since 2001 has been spit on by this President, let alone the veterans who died on his watch.

    THIS is what incompetence looks like-the democrat party and its demonstrably failed policies.
    I have to be amused by Conservatives who want us to fight alongside Iran's revolutionary guard to defend the Shiites who have been oppressing the Sunnii minority. Why are you allys of Iran now, I thought they were our enemies? We are now suffering the results of the incompetence of the Bush regime and of course so are the Iraqi's. I bet you don't even know that ISIS began and got their battle training in the Iraqi insurgency when our invasion resulted in a huge influx of recruits to Al Qaeda and other Sunni terrorist groups. Actions have consequences.
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq
    By PETER BAKERAUG. 7, 2014



    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/wo...tion.html?_r=0

    So Obama pulled out of Iraq at all costs, and this is the result.

    This is what happens when people vote for Democrats.
    And, what happens when people vote for Republicans is a broken Iraq.

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