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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Of course they weren't. What I've been saying is that further negations were expected,
    What is and isn't expected is entirely irrelevant. What was signed into law is ultimately what matters. In 2008, the agreement called for nothing other than the withdrawal of US troops by 2011. It didn't call for any further negotiations. Those are facts, Grant.

    Yeah, whatever. Let the other interested posters decide.
    I'm sorry Grant. I don't spew redundant talking points only to be refuted by the very evidence that is supposed to back me up. That's right up your alley though and this thread has proven that. You spend 4 posts trying to claim that further negotiations were part of the agreement. THEY NEVER WERE. That's entirely you fabricating things that never happened for 3 pages and then getting destroyed when asked to support them. You've failed, Grant. Go pretend to be an Independent somewhere else.
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What is and isn't expected is entirely irrelevant. What was signed into law is ultimately what matters. In 2008, the agreement called for nothing other than the withdrawal of US troops by 2011. It didn't call for any further negotiations. Those are facts, Grant.



    I'm sorry Grant. I don't spew redundant talking points only to be refuted by the very evidence that is supposed to back me up. That's right up your alley though and this thread has proven that. You spend 4 posts trying to claim that further negotiations were part of the agreement. THEY NEVER WERE. That's entirely you fabricating things that never happened for 3 pages and then getting destroyed when asked to support them. You've failed, Grant. Go pretend to be an Independent somewhere else.
    So you still remain unaware that Obama was negotiating with Iraq before SOFA expired? Or that the head of the CIA expected 70,000 troops to remain?

    There is really nothing I can add to that.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you still remain unaware that Obama was negotiating with Iraq before SOFA expired? Or that the head of the CIA expected 70,000 troops to remain?

    There is really nothing I can add to that.
    And you remain unaware that Obama campaigned and was elected on the promise to get out of Iraq. He did not rush though and he followed Bush's plan to the letter. It is not his fault that the plan was bad from the start. Supporting the Shiite terrorist Maliki was poison to any hopes of a stable Iraq without our troops being present. It is just another consequence of Bush not having a clue about what to do after defeating Saddam.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you still remain unaware that Obama was negotiating with Iraq before SOFA expired?
    Lmao, irrelevant. They weren't required by the withdrawal agreement or even a part of it. You're still trying to duck and dodge your claims aren't you?
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Truth be told we nevver should have pulled all of our troops out of Iraq.....Thanks to Obama many more Americans will die there.
    Yup, and innocent muslims, Christians, etc.

    WHAT IS OBAMA DOING? Whats his game plan? His random and inept policy continues, just like syria and libya.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    They took credit for something that was popular. All politicians do that.
    They are lucky to have you, aren't they?

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

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    Yup, and innocent muslims, Christians, etc.

    WHAT IS OBAMA DOING? Whats his game plan? His random and inept policy continues, just like syria and libya.
    what can obama do when a majority of the american people oppose any further involvement in iraq?
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what can obama do when a majority of the american people oppose any further involvement in iraq?
    He can lead, make the case, and go from there-THATS WHAT LEADERS DO. They make their case, instead of simply waiting for the polling-in fact he's not running for reelection and probably is going to lose the senate anyway-SO THIS IS THE TIME TO LEAD.

    President weak sauce doesn't even know what to do-he does not want the fallout from the collapsing iraq (to terrorists, leaving the US worse off than before the invasion) but at the same time, his entire presidency was based on getting out of Iraq. He has his lefties to worry about-so to ramp up a military presence there (and just before the mid terms no less) essentially means another high profile failure (like Git Mo, the NSA, the ACA, etc). He also has his legacy (which is not going to be good) to think about.

    Nobody knows WHAT his policy is? Whats the Obama doctrine in the ME? Can you tell me?

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They are lucky to have you, aren't they?
    Sure, whatever.
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what can obama do when a majority of the american people oppose any further involvement in iraq?
    That's where leadership comes in. When you want to govern through polls this is what happens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE

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