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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here is all you need to know. Please note that the Bush Administration expected troops to remain and that the agreement called for further negotiations.
    LMAO you're trying to have it both ways now. What the administration expected is irrelevant. What goes into agreements is what is relevant. The administration signed a withdrawal date. Regardless of what it expected, what remains is what is signed into the agreement. You're being dishonest again, honey. I'm not falling for it.

    The head of the CIA said that as many as 70,000 troops would remain in Iraq.
    Irrelevant, the agreement signed explicitly stated that all forces would be removed by December 31st, 2008. The Obama administration complied.

    If you read it all the way down to the bottom the truth will emerge. This has been debated throughout the thread and it's not to interesting to go through it all again. It's also late.
    Yawn. Excuses, excuses is all I hear from Grant when he's trying to bull**** his way out of the argument he dug for himself.

    Obama wanted complete withdrawal of troops and in the debate with Romney he emphasized this, which came as a shock to Romney because what is happening today was forecast. All gains made were lost.
    Irrelevant, the Obama administration did not sign the agreement for withdrawal. It complied with the foreign policy agreement of the previous administration.

    I am sorry to be abrupt but it is late here. Nite!

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    Run off, I didn't expect you to actually put up anything relevant.
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

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    Not in any democracy that I know of. Perhaps in the Third World.
    It is infuriating. This incompetent chump is getting children beheaded.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here is all you need to know. Please note that the Bush Administration expected troops to remain and that the agreement called for further negotiations.

    The head of the CIA said that as many as 70,000 troops would remain in Iraq.

    If you read it all the way down to the bottom the truth will emerge. This has been debated throughout the thread and it's not to interesting to go through it all again. It's also late.

    Obama wanted complete withdrawal of troops and in the debate with Romney he emphasized this, which came as a shock to Romney because what is happening today was forecast. All gains made were lost.

    I am sorry to be abrupt but it is late here. Nite!

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    The lefts problem is that these facts are well known and they look horrible-because they are.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    LMAO you're trying to have it both ways now. What the administration expected is irrelevant. What goes into agreements is what is relevant. The administration signed a withdrawal date. Regardless of what it expected, what remains is what is signed into the agreement. You're being dishonest again, honey. I'm not falling for it.
    And in that agreement they signed was that further negotiations would be held. Everyone seems to know that but you. You haven't even read the link with the information all prepared for you. I can't prevent you from having your beliefs so it's best you maintain them if they mean that much to you.
    Irrelevant, the agreement signed explicitly stated that all forces would be removed by December 31st, 2008. The Obama administration complied.
    That was to be negotiated further. It says so in the agreement.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

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    The lefts problem is that these facts are well known and they look horrible-because they are.
    They should be well known, but apparently not to the 'deniers'.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They should be well known, but apparently not to the 'deniers'.
    They have never seen this.

    Obama Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq'

    Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller

    Obama Now Claims It Wasn't His Decision to Leave Iraq

    It never seems to dawn on these people that if the Bush administration initiated the withdrawal agreement, why are Obama and Biden taking the credit?

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They have never seen this.

    Obama Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq'

    Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller

    Obama Now Claims It Wasn't His Decision to Leave Iraq

    It never seems to dawn on these people that if the Bush administration initiated the withdrawal agreement, why are Obama and Biden taking the credit?
    How many years did Obama claim airstrikes/military intervention simply created more terrorists? If this is true, why is he doing EXACTLY THAT now?

    Because he's a chump with an inept foreign policy designed solely for politics.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How many years did Obama claim airstrikes/military intervention simply created more terrorists? If this is true, why is he doing EXACTLY THAT now?

    Because he's a chump with an inept foreign policy designed solely for politics.
    The problem, as has been the case for the last few decades, has been not to win a war but to send 'a signal' and insist on a departure date. Nowhere in the history of was has it been the intention to send signals. The purpose is to win.

    Obama is now sending in bombers but there is no rallying cry about 'winning', defeating Islamic terror, or anything of the sort. Helping those Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike for humanitarian reasons is a good thing, but indiscriminate bombing without a strategy is only a minor aggravation for the zealots who care little for the value of human life.

    I watched an interview where a US Senator (D) said that the problem could be solved with greater inclusiveness in the Iraqi government. It's hard to believe this stupidity still exists today. It's like straightening the sheets on your bed while the Titanic is going down.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And in that agreement they signed was that further negotiations would be held.
    Nonsense. Show us that in the terms and conditions or quit bull****ting your way out of your massive lie. Here is the text:

    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf

    The word negotiations is used just ONCE in the entire text in regards to plea negotiations for US soldiers in court proceedings in Iraq. There isn't a single condition for this agreement to be dependent on further negotiations. This agreement was signed on as is. It's really sad to see you be reduced to this. All you had to do was show us what part of the agreement was dependent on "further negotiations" and you completely failed at it.

    The facts don't change any of that though because are the points of the agreement:

    Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security
    Forces, the assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and
    based upon the strong relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the
    following has been reached:

    1. All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no
    later than December 31, 2011.

    2. All United States combat forces shall withdraw from Iraqi cities,
    villages, and localities no later than the time at which Iraqi Security Forces
    assume full responsibility for security in an Iraqi province, provided that
    such withdrawal is completed no later than June 30, 2009.

    3. United States combat forces withdrawn pursuant to paragraph 2 above
    shall be stationed in the agreed facilities and areas outside cities, villages,
    and localities to be designated by the JMOCC before the date established in
    paragraph 2 above.

    4. The United States recognizes the sovereign right of the Government of
    Iraq to request the departure of the United States Forces from Iraq at any
    time The Government of Iraq recognizes the sovereign right of the United
    States to withdraw the United States Forces from Iraq at any time.

    5. The Parties agree to establish mechanisms and arrangements to reduce
    the number of the United States Forces during the periods of time that have
    been determined, and they shall agree on the locations where the United
    States Forces will be present.
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The problem, as has been the case for the last few decades, has been not to win a war but to send 'a signal' and insist on a departure date. Nowhere in the history of was has it been the intention to send signals. The purpose is to win.

    Obama is now sending in bombers but there is no rallying cry about 'winning', defeating Islamic terror, or anything of the sort. Helping those Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike for humanitarian reasons is a good thing, but indiscriminate bombing without a strategy is only a minor aggravation for the zealots who care little for the value of human life.

    I watched an interview where a US Senator (D) said that the problem could be solved with greater inclusiveness in the Iraqi government. It's hard to believe this stupidity still exists today. It's like straightening the sheets on your bed while the Titanic is going down.
    Indeed, in fact we find a unique situation in northern Iraq-ALL vehicles are presumed hostile and subject to military response. We COULD absolutely rain down death and despair on these islamist thugs, stopping any capability for offensive operations by ISIS forcing them into cities/towns until they can be killed by the Kurds or Iraqi military. We could do this with safety for our military, and allow OUR allies to win-Obama "struck" 4 technical vehicles up to now that I know of.

    None of this will happen-because of our weak and inept leader. Our chump in chief thinks he can convince people like fighting like a bitch-in the ME strength is respected, people who dont fight balls to the wall or who who compromise are seen as weak.

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