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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Iran is there because Bush handpicked a Iranian sympathizer(and a terrorist) to be President who kicked us out following orders from Iran. Malachi has been running Iraq as a Shiite dictatorship and spent more time in Tehran than Bagdad. The Sunnis simply decided they could not take it any more and the radicals were given free reign.
    We could not spend eternity getting soldiers legs blown off and acting as targets for terrorists. Is that what you think we should have done? Obama followed Bush's plan to tee and its failure was pre-ordained by the Bush Administration who had no idea how to handle the mess they created by ousting Saddam. Like Rummy said when washing his hands of it...."Democracy is messy" Donald Rumsfeld.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    OK I'll bite. so what are we in disagreement about or are you just trolling at this point in time. Because you definately don't don't appear to grasp the concept that we cannot stay if a SOFA is not in place.
    Yeah I figured I figured I wouldn't get a reply.... simpletons....

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    New Yorker mag, really?
    You have literally provided 0 informative information to the conversation. Care to make an assertion or otherwise relivant contribution?

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Troops in Vietnam weren't charged with a crime for killing RVN citizens who were either collateral damage or fighting with the enemy and prosecuted under RVN law, were they?
    No they were not. Anything done on a mission or to prosecute the war effort was just the results of war.Stuff happens as they say. Also anything in Vietnam that happened on an American military base, they fell under American Law and American jurisdiction. Now if a GI went off base and was not on duty, to have a beer or what ever and broke Vietnamese law, he would be subject to Vietnamese jurisdiction. Anything a soldier did over there not involving the war effort or off base, you fell under Vietnamese law.
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    [QUOTE=Perotista;1063623484]No they were not. Anything done on a mission or to prosecute the war effort was just the results of war.Stuff happens as they say. Also anything in Vietnam that happened on an American military base, they fell under American Law and American jurisdiction. Now if a GI went off base and was not on duty, to have a beer or what ever and broke Vietnamese law, he would be subject to Vietnamese jurisdiction. Anything a soldier did over there not involving the war effort or off base, you fell under Vietnamese law.[/QUOTE

    Please don't acceept the bait. These people are imbeciles

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    I predict that there will be no good result to any foreign involvement in Iraq.

    But anyone who wants to get involved has my permission to get on over there and join the fight.

    Don't ask others to fight the battle that you're promoting.

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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    ISIS didn't exist when we got involved there, they came into prominence under Obama, rapidly expanding like all of these terrorist organizations do. This is what a weak leader does to the world.
    Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The group, in its original form, was composed of and supported by a variety of Sunni insurgent groups, including its predecessor organizations, Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) (2003-2006), Mujahideen Shura Council (2006-2006) and the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) (2006-2013), other insurgent groups such as Jeish al-Taiifa al-Mansoura, Jaysh al-Fatiheen, Jund al-Sahaba and Katbiyan Ansar Al-Tawhid wal Sunnah, and a number of Iraqi tribes that profess Sunni Islam.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/world/...o-is-the-isis/

    The new al Qaeda was rebranded in 2006 as the Islamic State in Iraq (ISI). It would add "and Syria" to its name later.

    The group exploited a growing perception among many Sunnis that they were being persecuted by the Shia-dominated government led by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, starved of resources and excluded from a share of power.
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    ISIS has origins in the various different al-Qaeda-affiliated Sunni jihadists groups that have been active in the region for most of the past decade, including the infamous al-Qaeda in Iraq, led by former Jordanian-born terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed in a U.S. airstrike in 2006 during the Iraq War.
    You're being deliberately dishonest. ISI, the precursor to ISIS, did exist in 2006. It didn't expand into Syria because well... there was no Syrian civil war to begin with. However, if ISI had been stopped in 2006, it wouldn't have become ISIS. Stop being deliberately dishonest. It will save you some embarrassment.
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    Re: Obama, With Reluctance, Returns to Action in Iraq

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No they were not. Anything done on a mission or to prosecute the war effort was just the results of war.Stuff happens as they say. Also anything in Vietnam that happened on an American military base, they fell under American Law and American jurisdiction. Now if a GI went off base and was not on duty, to have a beer or what ever and broke Vietnamese law, he would be subject to Vietnamese jurisdiction. Anything a soldier did over there not involving the war effort or off base, you fell under Vietnamese law.[/QUOTE

    Please don't acceept the bait. These people are imbeciles
    It was a simple question. But the way most SOFA works is anything done in the official capacity of conducting the war effort is/was not subject to the host countries laws. Anything done by anyone in an non-official capacity, that is not in conducting or related to the war effort, you are subject to the host countries laws.

    This is where your word immunity throw me a loop. I wouldn't stay in a country if I had to fear a mistake in a grid coordination for an artillery strike in the official capacity of conducting the war would land me in a host country's jail. now if I punched a host country's citizen while off duty in a bar or doing some shopping, I should expect to be tried by the host country laws and judicial system.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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