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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Their professional judgement has been erroneous over and over in the case of Hinckley. Repeatedly after feeling he was safe to be in public they have found his attempt to be a penpal with Ted Bundy, Lynnette "Squeaky" Fromme, and attempted to get Charles Manson's address. After being banned from his contact or material on Jodie Foster they have found her pictures in her room and attempt to obtain nude drawings of her.

    Even the AMA has been in favor of abolishing the insanity defense in criminal trials. The states of Kansas, Montana, Idaho, Utah, do not even allow the insanity defense.

    I don't see no reason to return to trial to allow him to bask in the tv spotlights either. If he is insane then keep his butt off the streets. He has fooled the psych specialists one too many times.
    Perhaps he shouldn't be out. Nevertheless, there is no reason to have a blanket prohibition on insane murderers being given supervised release.

    Source regarding the AMA? Even if so, the AMA and four states do not have more collective wisdom than thousands of years of jurisprudence.

    Do you support abolishing the insanity defense?

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    After two decades, seems a bit unreasonable.
    You mean after being PARALYZED for 20 years from a gunshot wound. If the paralysis was the cause of death, what difference does it make how long it took?

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    From my perspective, we're talking two different things here - we're talking about a coroner's findings (a medical/scientific cause of death) and a legal finding (homicide). Unless the coroner acted in a most political and unscientific/medical way, which I've seen no evidence of, the findings are supported by science. This doesn't mean, however, that a prosecutor is required to accept the finding in a legal sense and lay charges against Hinkley.

    It is quite interesting from a legal perspective. Imagine the possibilities for expansion of the principle - is it possible for a mother to be involved in a homicide if her actions during pregnancy led to her child dying prematurely after birth? There are many such possibilities and don't doubt that some enterprising prosecutor, out to make a name for him/herself, won't pounce at the chance.
    If the shooting caused the death, homicide is the legal definition of what occurred. While it's just a formality at this point, it's still how it works.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    How can Hinckley be convicted of murder when he was already found not guilty of attempted murder?
    He hasn't been convicted of murder, and I doubt he will be.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    at this point, the legal system is not involved.... it's medical detemination, nothign more.

    I highly doubt Hinkley will be charged...and if they do decide ot charge him, the prosecution will have one helluva hill ot climb ( double jeopardy comes into play, as does his officially being designated "insane")
    That would be the thing, he was found innocent of the incident by reason of insanity. I would think that saying he had a sudden moment of clarity would be kind of a stretch.


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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    That seems like quite a leap. I hope this doesn't stand the test of law or time. Too bizarre.
    We should all live long enough to see the effects of gunshot wounds to Gabby of Arizona, I'll imagine she is going to have complications throughout her entire life.

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That would be the thing, he was found innocent of the incident by reason of insanity. I would think that saying he had a sudden moment of clarity would be kind of a stretch.
    It may have already been mentioned, but doesn't your country have double jeopardy? If he was tried and found not guilty by reason of insanity, wouldn't he have been tried for all aspects of the crime at the same time? And if so, is it not impossible for him to be tried now on a part of the indictment that was included in the first case?
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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are you really referring to incidental exposure to something that may or may not cause cancer to a bullet?
    No, I am referring to a fact that any exposure, be it a bullet, the sun. even your birth leads or whatever to death at some point. We don't say people who died of cancer because of exposure to (insert item that can cause cancer) by (insert company or whatever) as murder victims. Despite the fact we know certain things cause cancer like Asbestos and the maker.
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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Perhaps he shouldn't be out. Nevertheless, there is no reason to have a blanket prohibition on insane murderers being given supervised release.

    Source regarding the AMA? Even if so, the AMA and four states do not have more collective wisdom than thousands of years of jurisprudence.

    Do you support abolishing the insanity defense?

    Yes, there are some people who are truly insane and there are some people I believe who are just truly evil. Am not saying hang Hinckley but am saying he should never be released.
    The public's safety comes way before allowing Hinckley's desire to enjoy the freedom of a law abiding citizen. It has already been proven the hospital thought he was changed and then find out his activities included being a penpal to Ted Bundy.

    I don't know if Jeffrey Dahmer was insane or just plain evil as hell but do you believe he could have been rehabilitated and allowed to return to society?

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It may have already been mentioned, but doesn't your country have double jeopardy? If he was tried and found not guilty by reason of insanity, wouldn't he have been tried for all aspects of the crime at the same time? And if so, is it not impossible for him to be tried now on a part of the indictment that was included in the first case?
    Don't worry about it.
    Hinckley will never own another gun and he will never be tried again.
    He is insane.

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