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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It may have already been mentioned, but doesn't your country have double jeopardy? If he was tried and found not guilty by reason of insanity, wouldn't he have been tried for all aspects of the crime at the same time? And if so, is it not impossible for him to be tried now on a part of the indictment that was included in the first case?
    I think so, but I'm not sure how that all works. Technically, he was never charged with the murder of James Brady, so it's not totally the same crime.

    Either double jeopardy or the fact that his insanity would have applied to Brady's shooting as well as it was all one incident.


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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, I am referring to a fact that any exposure, be it a bullet, the sun. even your birth leads or whatever to death at some point. We don't say people who died of cancer because of exposure to (insert item that can cause cancer) by (insert company or whatever) as murder victims. Despite the fact we know certain things cause cancer like Asbestos and the maker.
    I'm really not sure why you think those two situations are remotely related.
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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Yes, there are some people who are truly insane and there are some people I believe who are just truly evil. Am not saying hang Hinckley but am saying he should never be released.
    The public's safety comes way before allowing Hinckley's desire to enjoy the freedom of a law abiding citizen. It has already been proven the hospital thought he was changed and then find out his activities included being a penpal to Ted Bundy.

    I don't know if Jeffrey Dahmer was insane or just plain evil as hell but do you believe he could have been rehabilitated and allowed to return to society?
    Dahmer did not seem to lack either understanding of the criminality of his conduct or control of his actions, rather his killings seemed to be the result of compulsions, which do not suffice for insanity under Wisconsin law (nor should they IMO).

    I have no idea of if he could have ever been safely released had he been committed.

    I agree that public safety comes first, that is after all why we confine insane defendants. What I'm saying is that it is possible for people to be cured or otherwise become non-dangerous (not that Hinckley specifically is), and if this happens then they should be given supervised release, since safety (rather than punishment) is the only moral justification for confining insane defendants.

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Dahmer did not seem to lack either understanding of the criminality of his conduct or control of his actions, rather his killings seemed to be the result of compulsions, which do not suffice for insanity under Wisconsin law (nor should they IMO).
    Between the two, Dahmer and Hinckley, I would think that Dahmer qualifies as the truly insane one. What Dahmer did was beyond human comprehension. Hinckley did his task to achieve notoriety and succeeded.

    As for release of someone such as Hinckley with such a violent background I do not believe it is worth risking the public with someone who has proven not to be completely honest with the mental health team. Things could be worse for Hinckley, he could have been confined to a wheelchair.

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So if you shoot a person, they survive and die twenty years later it can be called a homicide.

    Reagan aide Jim Brady's death ruled homicide
    Who ruled it a homicide?
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    Otis a fact that children cause a lot of stress.

    Ergo, all kids are homicide suspects?
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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    [QUOTE=Carleen;1063621957]Who ruled it a homicide?[/QUOTE


    Check the link.

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Between the two, Dahmer and Hinckley, I would think that Dahmer qualifies as the truly insane one. What Dahmer did was beyond human comprehension. Hinckley did his task to achieve notoriety and succeeded.

    As for release of someone such as Hinckley with such a violent background I do not believe it is worth risking the public with someone who has proven not to be completely honest with the mental health team. Things could be worse for Hinckley, he could have been confined to a wheelchair.
    Obviously it wasnt beyond human comprehension, otherwise it wouldn't have been committed by a human. In any case insane =/= depraved. Dahmer committed acts as a result of necrophilic compulsions, however he didn't lack control of his actions, as evidenced by the fact that the acts were premeditated. Inability to comprehend right and wrong wasnt the issue in his case. Hinckley on the other hand acted under severe delusions, and clearly was sufficiently detached from reality to be unable to understand right and wrong.

    You may be right. I'm only saying that there is nothing wrong on principle with releasing an insane murderer.

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Obviously it wasnt beyond human comprehension, otherwise it wouldn't have been committed by a human. In any case insane =/= depraved. Dahmer committed acts as a result of necrophilic compulsions, however he didn't lack control of his actions, as evidenced by the fact that the acts were premeditated. Inability to comprehend right and wrong wasnt the issue in his case. Hinckley on the other hand acted under severe delusions, and clearly was sufficiently detached from reality to be unable to understand right and wrong.

    You may be right. I'm only saying that there is nothing wrong on principle with releasing an insane murderer.
    Well, I guess this is the Y in the road where we split. Someone who killed someone in a an act such as a bar fight I could see being released from prison. I remain suspicious of the mental health team accuracy in determining the success of rehabilitation of someone of violent past.

    Thanks for the chat as we have come to that Y.

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    Re: James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It may have already been mentioned, but doesn't your country have double jeopardy? If he was tried and found not guilty by reason of insanity, wouldn't he have been tried for all aspects of the crime at the same time? And if so, is it not impossible for him to be tried now on a part of the indictment that was included in the first case?
    Yes. We do have double jeopardy. And it would probably apply with John Hinkley. Even though the charge is now homicide rather then attempted murder...it is still the same crime. I seriously doubt that it will re-prosecuted. It is simply that the legal definition of the crime has been changed based on the fact that Brady's death was a complication of the shooting.

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