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    Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

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    BLOOMFIELD, N.M. (AP) -- A federal judge says a New Mexico city must remove a monument inscribed with the Ten Commandments from the lawn in front of Bloomfield City Hall. The Daily Times reports (Federal judge rules Ten Commandments monument in front of Bloomfield City Hall violates First Amendment - Farmington Daily Times) that Senior U.S. District Judge James A. Parker issued a ruling Thursday in a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, saying the monument constitutes government speech and has the "principal effect of endorsing religion."
    I get so sick of this idiotic crap. Nowhere in the Constitution is this judge's decision supported. No law has been passed by Congress that gives preference of one religion over any other in this case. This is nothing more than some dumbass getting all butt-hurt over the Ten being displayed and deciding to sue to get it removed.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

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    I get so sick of this idiotic crap. Nowhere in the Constitution is this judge's decision supported. No law has been passed by Congress that gives preference of one religion over any other in this case. This is nothing more than some dumbass getting all butt-hurt over the Ten being displayed and deciding to sue to get it removed.
    Would you feel the same way if it were a satanist monument or a monument displaying verses from the Quaran? I'll bet you that the same fundamentalists fighting to keep the Ten Commandments up would be fighting tear it down if it were displaying something from any religion but Christianity.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

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    I get so sick of this idiotic crap. Nowhere in the Constitution is this judge's decision supported. No law has been passed by Congress that gives preference of one religion over any other in this case. This is nothing more than some dumbass getting all butt-hurt over the Ten being displayed and deciding to sue to get it removed.

    So you don't mind the Flying Spaghetti monster monument on a city hall lawn? Or a large tablet with notable verses of the Quran? Or a menorah? An offering to the god Osiris? A statue of Aphrodite? What is okay or not or just a free for all so no one gets butt hurt over a religion being displayed?
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

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    I get so sick of this idiotic crap. Nowhere in the Constitution is this judge's decision supported. No law has been passed by Congress that gives preference of one religion over any other in this case. This is nothing more than some dumbass getting all butt-hurt over the Ten being displayed and deciding to sue to get it removed.
    Why do you think it should be there? What purpose does it serve? And why are you offended that it's not there?
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    Would you feel the same way if it were a satanist monument or a monument displaying verses from the Quaran?
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    I agree. The 1st amendment is about the government making laws for or against religion. It was never meant as a true separation of church and state clause. Making a monument to the 10 commandments is not a law. No matter how you look at it.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So you don't mind the Flying Spaghetti monster monument on a city hall lawn?
    You mean like this? [ATTACH=CONFIG]http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_holiday_display_loudon_nt_111220_wblog.jpg[/ATTACH]

    Odd, the religious folk were all upset once atheists got their displays as well.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So you don't mind the Flying Spaghetti monster monument on a city hall lawn? Or a large tablet with notable verses of the Quran? Or a menorah? An offering to the god Osiris? A statue of Aphrodite? What is okay or not or just a free for all so no one gets butt hurt over a religion being displayed?
    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    Would you feel the same way if it were a satanist monument or a monument displaying verses from the Quaran? I'll bet you that the same fundamentalists fighting to keep the Ten Commandments up would be fighting tear it down if it were displaying something from any religion but Christianity.
    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Why do you think it should be there? What purpose does it serve? And why are you offended that it's not there?
    The Ten Commandments are one of the foundational legal statements of mankind. They are entirely appropriate to posted in front of a courthouse. The examples you give are NOT part of the foundational legal examples of our society, the Ten are (along with several other documents). This is the reason they are there an as such, they should be left alone. It's why we haven't removed all the rest of the examples of the Ten from our federals buildings, because they represent one of the core documents of our legal system.

    Now, I'll most likely be accused of stating that the Ten are the foundation of our laws, which I most certainly am not stating. They are a part of it, but not the whole of it.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    His name is "Faithful Servant"

    What do you think?
    My given name is "Franklin". A franklin was someone who served their lord out of love for them, not out of obligation. As such, the term translates to "faithful servant" pretty well.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I agree. The 1st amendment is about the government making laws for or against religion. It was never meant as a true separation of church and state clause. Making a monument to the 10 commandments is not a law. No matter how you look at it.
    No, the wall of separation was a later idea.

    Which doesn't make it a bad idea, not at all.

    As for the Ten Commandments, they say:

    You shall have no other Gods before me
    You shall not make for yourselves an idol
    You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God
    Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy
    Honor your father and your mother
    You shall not murder
    You shall not commit adultery
    You shall not steal
    You shall not give false testimony
    You shall not covet
    Only three of the ten are written into law in the USA: Murder, stealing, and false testimony. Should we write the rest of them into law? If not, why would they be on a government building?
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