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Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

AlabamaPaul said:
So, honoring your father and mother is out of bounds in your view?
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Absolutely, my parents were mean, hateful people, I wouldn't honor them if they were the last people on earth. And I wouldn't expect anyone with bad parents to honor them, and in so doing diminish themselves.
 
Summerwind said:
Absolutely, my parents were mean, hateful people, I wouldn't honor them if they were the last people on earth. And I wouldn't expect anyone with bad parents to honor them, and in so doing diminish themselves.
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We're speaking in generalities here, not your specifics...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
We're speaking in generalities here, not your specifics...
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Generally honor is earned, and being a parent doesn't grant it to anyone simply for that reason. Now why do you need to have everything whittled down to such degree? Do you lack comprehension skills?
 
Summerwind said:
Generally honor is earned, and being a parent doesn't grant it to anyone simply for that reason. Now why do you need to have everything whittled down to such degree? Do you lack comprehension skills?
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I have no problem with comprehension. I'm trying to discern what issue you might have with the Ten Commandments...
 
ernst barkmann said:
but can you tell me how having a monument on a piece of property is law?

The constitution prohibits law making on reglious matters
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I have no problem with the 10 Commandments being on a public building, as long as those of the Muslim faith are allowed to also put verses from the Quran on it.
 
Summerwind said:
We belie all of them, so I'm figuring they are all pretty useless. Dittohead not! posted this analysis...



But I'd go so far as to say that even the three he thinks are part of our society are not, and are instead conditionally accepted in our modern society, so really none of them apply, and it's an entirely useless list.
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The Ten Commandments were Gods law for man prior to Jesus's sacrifice.

Those who accept Jesus and God's Grace are not under the law anymore.

So for those who reject the posting of the Commandments based on their personal hang ups with modern day Christians they should at least understand that they're really not representative of Born again Christians.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I have no problem with comprehension. I'm trying to discern what issue you might have with the Ten Commandments...
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They are ridiculous and our laws don't adhere to them anyway, hence they are also a useless display of archaic religious beliefs, and have no place in a public display, particularly around statehouses and courthouses where as pointed out it's exceptionally useless and archaic.
 
Fenton said:
The Ten Commandments were Gods law for man prior to Jesus's sacrifice.

Those who accept Jesus and God's Grace are not under the law anymore.

So for those who reject the posting of the Commandments based on their personal hang ups with modern day Christians they should at least understand that they're really not representative of Born again Christians.
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There is no god, hence it's not god's law. And regardless of what you believe, it's not the law in the US and never has been. I sure hope I don't represent anything akin to a xian, much less a born again extremist.
 
Summerwind said:
They are ridiculous and our laws don't adhere to them anyway, hence they are also a useless display of archaic religious beliefs, and have no place in a public display, particularly around statehouses and courthouses where as pointed out it's exceptionally useless and archaic.
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And you do realize that this country was founded by those who desired the freedom to express their views and not be stifled by those who might disagree? The Commandments on display does no harm to anyone...
 
danarhea said:
I have no problem with the 10 Commandments being on a public building, as long as those of the Muslim faith are allowed to also put verses from the Quran on it.
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Lol !!

Muslims actually beleive the Commandments are a integral part of the Quaranic ethics and laws.

Well, minus the Fourth Amendment.

And Moses, is considered a Prophet, Messenger and Leader in the Islamic Faith.
 
Fenton said:
The Ten Commandments were Gods law for man prior to Jesus's sacrifice.
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The Ten Commandments were Gods laws for Jews prior to Jesus' sacrifice. Not mankind in general, just His chosen people.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
And you do realize that this country was founded by those who desired the freedom to express their views and not be stifled by those who might disagree? The Commandments on display does no harm to anyone...
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So display them on your private lawn, not on public and government spaces.
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!

Muslims actually beleive the Commandments are a integral part of the Quaranic ethics and laws.

Well, minus the Fourth Amendment.

And Moses, is considered a Prophet, Messenger and Leader in the Islamic Faith.
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You didn't reply directly to what I quoted. So let me ask you directly. So you have no problem with Islamic scripture being posted on government buildings too? Try not to bob and weave too much as you answer this question.
 
spud_meister said:
We on the left have so many religions. Atheism is our religion, statism is our religion, government is our religion, science is our religion. It get so confusing what to pray to after a while.
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That's why you all demand allegiance to the government.
 
Fenton said:
No, not really.

Because first, posting the Ten Commandments in a public building doesn't " make laws respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof " and second, our Country has a History believe it or not.

If you want to ignore that because it threatens you somehow thats on you.
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Posting a religious icon in a public place is establishing support of a religion.

Just because America was largely founded by Christians doesn't make it any more of a Christian nation than my use of a Chinese brand toaster makes my Pop Tarts Chinese.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
What difference does it make if the majority of the public approves?
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For the same reason it matters what we do regardless of what the public approves of, example #1 - slavery, example #2 - civil rights, example #3 interracial marriage, example #4 -same sex marriage, and so on.
 
Summerwind said:
There is no god, hence it's not god's law. And regardless of what you believe, it's not the law in the US and never has been. I sure hope I don't represent anything akin to a xian, much less a born again extremist.
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Sounds like a opinion to me.

You can't through scienctific proof or evidence deny the existence of a creator.

Well, Liberals are pretty scientifically ignorant in general.

The Big bang, which so many people attribute to the creation of our Universe 14 Billion years ago actually lends credence to the existence of a creator.

It violates the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics for one thing.

It was by definition, CREATION out of nothing which contradicts ths first law of thermodynamics.

To be born again is not extreme. Its simply a faith.

Now to force those to adhere to your way of thinking or to your faith via death threats IS extreme. Like whats happening on a Country wide scale in Iraq right now

But you guys seem to save your criticisms for Christians for some reason.

I think it's a personal issue and you shouldn't inflict your hang ups onto other people.
 
danarhea said:
You didn't reply directly to what I quoted. So let me ask you directly. So you have no problem with Islamic scripture being posted on government buildings too? Try not to bob and weave too much as you answer this question.
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The thing you're missing is that atheists forcing religions to take monuments down is no different than religious groups forcing atheists to put religious monuments up.
 
Fenton said:
Sounds like a opinion to me.

You can't through scienctific proof or evidence deny the existence of a creator.

Well, Liberals are pretty scientifically ignorant in general.

The Big bang, which so many people attribute to the creation of our Universe 14 Billion years ago actually lends credence to the existence of a creator.

It violates the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics for one thing.

It was by definition, CREATION out of nothing which contradicts ths first law of thermodynamics.

To be born again is not extreme. Its simply a faith.

Now to force those to adhere to your way of thinking or to your faith via death threats IS extreme. Like whats happening on a Country wide scale in Iraq right now

But you guys seem to save your criticisms for Christians for some reason.

I think it's a personal issue and you shouldn't inflict your hang ups onto other people.
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Regardless of what you think, I should have to endure you inflicting your religion on property that is public or governmental.
 
Unrepresented said:
Posting a religious icon in a public place is establishing support of a religion.

Just because America was largely founded by Christians doesn't make it any more of a Christian nation than my use of a Chinese brand toaster makes my Pop Tarts Chinese.
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It is NOT ESTABLISHING A LAW.

Jeez man.

If they posted a copy of the Commandments, and then passed a law stating you had to folow those Commandments or else, then THAT would be a violation of our Constitution.

The Constitution is written in English.

Why is it so difficult for some people to comprehend ?
 
Fenton said:
It was by definition, CREATION out of nothing which contradicts ths first law of thermodynamics.
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Are you trying to say the laws of physics applied prior to the existence of the universe?
 
Summerwind said:
For the same reason it matters what we do regardless of what the public approves of, example #1 - slavery, example #2 - civil rights, example #3 interracial marriage, example #4 -same sex marriage, and so on.
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I hate to let you in on this little factoid, but the minority doesn't always get its way. Now, can our court system alter that? Sure, but it doesn't make it right for a society...
 
Summerwind said:
There is no god, hence it's not god's law. And regardless of what you believe, it's not the law in the US and never has been. I sure hope I don't represent anything akin to a xian, much less a born again extremist.
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The government can't inhibit the free practice of religion.
 
Fenton said:
It is NOT ESTABLISHING A LAW.

Jeez man.

If they posted a copy of the Commandments, and then passed a law stating you had to folow those Commandments or else, then THAT would be a violation of our Constitution.

The Constitution is written in English.

Why is it so difficult for some people to comprehend ?
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It is establishing a preference as to what religion is allowed to be publicly displayed. Which to my reading of it is against the Constitution.
 
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