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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    You might want to tell Oklahoma that. They are trying to ban the Satanist monument, and the Hindu monument while they allow the big 10.
    Man, there are always crazies that want to ban something. I'm not one of them BTW, as a matter of fact I think "bans" are evil....

    Hell, there are people out there that want to ban some of the silliest stuff..... They can try but they won't get away with it unless they get enough minions to brainwash millions and create a hysteria - which is what a lot of these "groups" attempt to do in the first place...

    IMO, I don't know why people are obsessed with banning things or are so worried about what others think (at least with the minor issues that basically affect no one)...

    Let them try...... Just like that clown Bloomberg tried to ban soda or these clowns in Chicago want to ban guns or even plastic bags.... They're a bunch of crazy people who are authoritarian in nature.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    I don't get this whole fanaticism regarding the 10 commandments in the first place.

    They're not legal epiphanies and for the most part are absolutely archaic and not attributable to a modern legal system.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    By your (thin) logic, a bowling league is a religion.
    No, because a bowling league has no fundamental ideology or even belief...

    Besides, as a bowler myself we have a league and then we have teams so......

    Maybe we can call it a cult because I know some pretty serious bowlers that are almost religious about the sport lol.

    Of course these are loose ideas that are highly subjective in nature with really no clear-cut definition other than subjectivism.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I don't get this whole fanaticism regarding the 10 commandments in the first place.

    They're not legal epiphanies and for the most part are absolutely archaic and not attributable to a modern legal system.
    Sorry you're completely wrong there...

    Go down the Ten Commandments and tell me which ones you a) won't get arrested for or b) which ones previously are NOT laws or c) which ones society as a whole finds acceptable or haven't tried to outright ban?

    I'm not trying to push religion at all - I'm just being real and honest here.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No, because a bowling league has no fundamental ideology or even belief...

    Besides, as a bowler myself we have a league and then we have teams so......

    Maybe we can call it a cult because I know some pretty serious bowlers that are almost religious about the sport lol.

    Of course these are loose ideas that are highly subjective in nature with really no clear-cut definition other than subjectivism.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    What makes this debate even more ironic is that (in my opinion) most atheists are progressive, hence they're the first people to preach tolerance..... Well they can't tolerate religious symbols that have no meaning to them?

    Yeah so much for the whole "tolerance" idea.
    It's well worth pointing out, in turn, that most “progressives” are very “tolerant” of things with which they agree. Of things with which they do not agree, not so much.

    Of course, this wrong-wing interpretation of “tolerance” misses the entire point of tolerance.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Sorry you're completely wrong there...

    Go down the Ten Commandments and tell me which ones you a) won't get arrested for or b) which ones previously are NOT laws or c) which ones society as a whole finds acceptable or haven't tried to outright ban?

    I'm not trying to push religion at all - I'm just being real and honest here.
    Once again, here they are:

    1. You shall have no other Gods before me
    2. You shall not make for yourselves an idol
    3. You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God
    4. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy
    5. Honor your father and your mother
    6. You shall not murder
    7. You shall not commit adultery
    8. You shall not steal
    9. You shall not give false testimony
    10. You shall not covet

    1. outlawed by the First Amendment.
    2. won't get you in trouble in Modern America.
    3. won't get you in trouble in Modern America.
    4. Most big stores are open on Saturday and Sunday both. No sabbaths there.
    5. won't get you in trouble in Modern America.
    6. Bingo! There's one!
    7. Won't get you in trouble with the law, but could have some negative consequences.
    8. Bingo! Yet another!
    9. And there's the third
    10. Downright encouraged in a capitalist system.

    There you go. The Ten Commandments as a basis for modern law.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    Would you feel the same way if it were a satanist monument or a monument displaying verses from the Quaran? I'll bet you that the same fundamentalists fighting to keep the Ten Commandments up would be fighting tear it down if it were displaying something from any religion but Christianity.
    Exactly. Props for laying out the truth.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I agree. The 1st amendment is about the government making laws for or against religion. It was never meant as a true separation of church and state clause. Making a monument to the 10 commandments is not a law. No matter how you look at it.
    Establishment of religion does not mean writing of a law saying that the 10 commandments is the official commandments of the city of Elsewhere...

    By the city's OK-ing the monument to be placed in the public square is the city giving tacit acceptance and favor to the monument...ergo the 10 commandments...ergo religion.


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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    "Standing pins are bad. May they all fall before my heavy spherical object."
    That is a goal not a religion...

    Hell, I'm a hockey nut myself and a diehard Hawks fan but I wouldn't call it religious or my love of the sport a religious experience....

    However, I'm not going to say some fans take the sport they love too far.... That's we call them fanatics and not religious extremists.

    Sorry, but bowling is hardly even close to religion outside of praying to God to have a good game or thanking God for getting a strike when you needed one...

    IMO, I really don't think atheists understand religion and how us "believers" think.... I really can't tell you or even philosophize the concept with you because it's beyond philosophy or understanding - it's an experience....

    Political philosophy I can decode but religion and the philosophy is a bit more difficult to explain.... Religion is just one of those things that takes faith, understanding, tolerance and forgiveness.... Now, if an individual can embrace those ideas they will be a lot happier - even if they can't or won't have faith.... At the very least - believer or not - it will give you some sort of piece of mind or humbleness....

    However I cannot put my Christianity into any sort of context or philosophy that could be understood...... That would be like asking "what does water taste like" - try putting that into context...

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