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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Only three of the ten have anything to do with modern law.

    And atheist religion? There have already been lengthy threads about that one. Careful, or you're likely to get yet another one started.
    Atheism is a religion - they have "churches" and adhere to a common idea "there is no God"... They're either a religion or cult.. I know they've attempted to apply for "religious status" with the government so...

    What is the difference believing that there is no God and believing there is one? In my philosophy it's the same concept.

    I don't personally know how many members a "group" needs to qualify as a "religion" but I think atheists have enough to meet some sort of requirement or criteria in my opinion.

    And like I said - the lack of belief is the same as belief - we both believe in something and IMO, "believe" is what defines a religion.

    Obviously this is all really philosophical, and definitely subjective so we can leave it at that.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, the wall of separation was a later idea.

    Which doesn't make it a bad idea, not at all.
    Which was never codified into law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    As for the Ten Commandments, they say:

    Only three of the ten are written into law in the USA: Murder, stealing, and false testimony. Should we write the rest of them into law? If not, why would they be on a government building?
    No. and Why wouldn't it be? There are many reasons that it might be on a government building. Not all of them having to do with religion.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
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    I get so sick of this idiotic crap. Nowhere in the Constitution is this judge's decision supported. No law has been passed by Congress that gives preference of one religion over any other in this case. This is nothing more than some dumbass getting all butt-hurt over the Ten being displayed and deciding to sue to get it removed.
    I agree. Congress has passed no law whatsoever. If anything making someone take down the ten commandants is violating the free exercise clause. The judge is reading from from religion into the first amendment and it seems judges are doing their darn best to make the United States a religious free zone. But lawyerese will always prevail over plain English. Making someone take the monument down is also violating their free speech, but only in lawyerese is the term shall not changed to mean shall and vice versa.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Which was never codified into law.



    No. and Why wouldn't it be? There are many reasons that it might be on a government building. Not all of them having to do with religion.
    What non religious reason could there be.. let's see.. perhaps the prohibition of adultery is there to remind the pols.. no, that can't be it. Maybe it's the injunction against working on the Sabbath... No, can't be that. It says they're supposed to work six days of the week. Could be the part about no idols, but no, their idol is the almighty dollar.

    Nope. Can't think of a single reason other than religion.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    It's basic fairness and respect for American citizens of different creeds. All or none.
    Respect?

    Since when did we all turn into vampires?

    I don't even understand how any religious symbol could offend an atheist - it makes no sense to me. If you don't believe in God then therefore the symbol should be meaningless to the atheist.

    If anything I see this as a total attack on religion and especially the Bill of Rights...

    What makes this debate even more ironic is that (in my opinion) most atheists are progressive, hence they're the first people to preach tolerance..... Well they can't tolerate religious symbols that have no meaning to them?

    Yeah so much for the whole "tolerance" idea.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Absolutely.....

    Our First Amendment doesn't say; "freedom for Christianity" it states "freedom of religion."

    The thing is that the United States is mostly Christians and Muslims view idols or religious symbolism as a form of blasphemy, obviously Jews have their symbolism such as the 6-point star (or even the Ten Commandments), and Buddhists, they have Buddha.....

    It's no ones fault that Christianity happens to be the majority religion in the United States...

    There are plenty of religions, and any one of them are more than welcome to display their faith...
    You might want to tell Oklahoma that. They are trying to ban the Satanist monument, and the Hindu monument while they allow the big 10.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What non religious reason could there be.. let's see.. perhaps the prohibition of adultery is there to remind the pols.. no, that can't be it. Maybe it's the injunction against working on the Sabbath... No, can't be that. It says they're supposed to work six days of the week. Could be the part about no idols, but no, their idol is the almighty dollar.

    Nope. Can't think of a single reason other than religion.
    Most state laws are/were completely based on the Ten Commandments....

    Funny part is the further you go south and the smaller communities you get into they're totally devout to the Ten Commandments (Bible Belt)...

    Who really cares tho? if that is how those people feel comfortable living then let them live that way...

    I don't know why so many people are obsessed with how others live or what they want to believe..... It's almost like it pisses someone off that another individual believes in God..... My philosophy is extremely simple - just as long as you're not affecting me I could care less what you do..... I find it extremely unbelievable that anyone would be offended by a crucifix or the Ten Commandments - that is not something logically to be offended by unless one is the type that goes out of their way to be offended.

    I've become offended that this is even a debate or such a big deal..... It makes no sense to me.

    Most things or public displays I don't agree with generally make me laugh - they don't offend me or even anger me.. The thought in my mind is basically "ok if you want to buy that go for it" then I just laugh... And believe me being from northern Illinois (Chicago metro area) I see a lot of weird stuff....

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Personally I think it should be allowed, AS LONG AS any other religion is also allowed to put their monuments up on the same grounds.
    All or none.
    Whether allowing the Ten Commandments to be displayed as it was in this case violates the Establishment Clause or some other part of the First Amendment does not depend on what you personally think. And the Supreme Court does not seem to agree with your assertion that it's permissible only if "any other religion" also gets to put its monument up on the same grounds.

    You might want to look at Pleasant Grove City, Utah v. Summum, a 2009 Supreme Court decision. Members of the Summum religion demanded that the city let it place a monument inscribed with the "Seven Aphorisms of Summum" in a city park where other donated monuments had been erected. The Court held that although the area was a "traditional public forum for speeches and other transitory acts, the display of a permanent monument in a public park is not a form of expression to which forum analysis applies."

    The placement of a permanent monument in a public park was not subject to scrutiny under the Free Speech Clause, the Court explained, because it was a form of government speech. As long as the city's acceptance of a monument could not be seen as an endorsement of religion, it was free to accept or reject private monuments.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Atheism is a religion - they have "churches" and adhere to a common idea "there is no God"... They're either a religion or cult.. I know they've attempted to apply for "religious status" with the government so...

    What is the difference believing that there is no God and believing there is one? In my philosophy it's the same concept.

    I don't personally know how many members a "group" needs to qualify as a "religion" but I think atheists have enough to meet some sort of requirement or criteria in my opinion.

    And like I said - the lack of belief is the same as belief - we both believe in something and IMO, "believe" is what defines a religion.

    Obviously this is all really philosophical, and definitely subjective so we can leave it at that.
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