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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    On public land. It doesn't matter who pays for it, where it stands does. No matter who pays for it, it's still a waste of money.
    So are videogames. If/how someone wastes their money is not your buisness.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    From what I'm reading here and have knowledge of from the past. For the most part, federal judges are "removing" 10 commandments that are not part of a larger presentation. So it seems that if a community is allowing a reasonably comprehensive display, then judges are allowing, if standalone, it's being refused. My understanding is that in the latter, other monuments were requested and offered to be paid by private funds but put on public property, and those resulted in the 10Cs being ordered to be removed. This whole comment is based solely on my memory, so take it with a grain or two of salt.
    I don't have better information so I'll take your word for it.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So are videogames. If/how someone wastes their money is not your buisness.
    It is when it takes place on public property. What someone does in the privacy of their own homes and/or churches, so long as it doesn't violate the law, is up to them.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sounds to me like it is you that is getting all "butt-hurt" over this. There are plenty of places to put the 10 Commandments. No one is denying anyone the opportunity to place them in 99% of the places they want. Why is it necessary to post religious icons on governmental squares?
    Why was it necessary for the first Congress to appropriate money to hire chaplains for each of its houses?

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Why was it necessary for the first Congress to appropriate money to hire chaplains for each of its houses?
    If they did not have a problem with slavery...you think they were gonna defend Jews and Catholics' rights?


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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It is when it takes place on public property. What someone does in the privacy of their own homes and/or churches, so long as it doesn't violate the law, is up to them.
    The Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of erecting monuments with the Ten Commandments on public property. See Van Orden v. Perry. Another loss for atheists, who can't stand the fact this country was founded by English Protestants and has had religion intertwined with its government from the beginning. To hear these killjoys talk, if a kid so much as glances at his elementary school classmates rehearsing a Christmas play, the trauma will be enough to ruin him for life.

    The "wall of separation" language from Thomas Jefferson's letter of reassurance to a nervous religious group was never the law until 1947, when the phrase was picked up by the Supreme Court and used in its first venture into the Establishment Clause, Everson v. Board of Education. It's worth noting that Justice Hugo Black, who wrote the Everson decision, had been a Klan official in Alabama and had no love lost on the Catholic Church.

    So it's a little surprising that the Court upheld the authority of a New Jersey school board, acting pursuant to a state law, to reimburse parents for the cost of transporting their children to Catholic schools. What Everson is noted for is its thorough discussion of the meaning of the Establishment Clause, and for the fact all nine justices agreed it was meant to do something more than just prevent Congress from establishing an official U.S. religion.

    The Court's Establishment Clause decisions since Everson have made the "wall" between church and state into more of a flexible, permeable barrier.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It is when it takes place on public property. What someone does in the privacy of their own homes and/or churches, so long as it doesn't violate the law, is up to them.
    Sure but were not talking about private property, just private money. Even with these lawsuits, private money is paying the court fees.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    If they did not have a problem with slavery...you think they were gonna defend Jews and Catholics' rights?
    They DID have a problem with slavory, it just wasn't a battle they could win at the time.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

    Hitler was very clear that he was a Christian. Whether you like that or not, that doesn't change the fact. Try again.

    LOL !

    Yes, Hitler who was responsible for the liquidation of millions of Jews was a follower of a Judeo-Christian religion....riiight...

    Besides, in those quotes he sounded allot like a lying Politician. Can you supply the dates when he said those things ?

    And besides, you supplied quotes, I supplied proof of what Hitler DID. He persecuted Christians for being Christians.

    Hitler also sought to forbid the publication of the Bible, the posting of the Christian cross and the liquidation of all Christian clergy and other publications.

    Yea, some " Christian " he was.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol....

    No, Hitler was NOT a Christian. I understand WHY that narrative has been perpetuated but I don't understand why so many so effortlessly buy into it without even thinking about cracking open a History book.


    Hitler was pushing for the creation of a National Reich Church and had he stayed in power there's no doubt he would have succeeded.

    Here are a few points taken from the National Rieche Church's 30 point program.

    1. The National Reich's Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich; it declares these to be national churches:

    5. The National Reich Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably and by every means the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.

    7. The National Reich Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains or priests but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

    10. The National Reich Church irrevocably strives for complete union with the state. It must obey the state as one of its servants. As such, it demands that all landed possessions of all churches and religious denominations be handed over to the state. It forbids that in future churches should secure ownership of even the smallest piece of German soil or that such be ever given back to them. Not the churches conquer and cultivate land and soil but exclusively the German nation, the German state.

    13. The National Reich Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany as well as the publication of Sunday papers, pamphlets, publications and books of a religious nature.


    14. The National Reich Church has to take severe measures in order to prevent the Bible and other christian publications being imported into Germany.

    15. The National Reich Church declares that to it, and therefore to the German nation, it has been decided that the Fuhrer's "Mein Kampf" is the greatest of all documents. It is conscious that this book contains and embodies the purest and truest ethics for the present and future life of our nation.

    18. The National Reich Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of Saints.

    19. On the altars there must be nothing but "Mein Kampf", which is to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book, and to the left of the altar a sword.

    22. The National Reich Church repudiates the christening of German children, particularly the christening with water and the Holy Ghost.

    28. The National Reich Church rejects the customary day of prayer and atonement. It demands that this be transferred to the holiday commemorating the laying of the foundation stone of the National Reich Church.


    And............

    Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I love how this Wikipedia article was created in 2013. Seems the persecution didn't exist prior to that. Strange that, very strange. Almost like someone just made it up.
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