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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by top cat View Post
    don't care. The fact is religion should never be a part of public property. Period.
    but can you tell me how having a monument on a piece of property is law?

    The constitution prohibits law making on reglious matters

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    but can you tell me how having a monument on a piece of property is law?

    The constitution prohibits law making on reglious matters
    Anything denoting religion on public property should not be allowed.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by top cat View Post
    anything denoting religion on public property should not be allowed.


    but that is not the law.....


    Constituional law states that congress[now all governments] will make no law.......there is no law in this situation.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Personally I think it should be allowed, AS LONG AS any other religion is also allowed to put their monuments up on the same grounds.
    All or none.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Personally I think it should be allowed, AS LONG AS any other religion is also allowed to put their monuments up on the same grounds.
    All or none.
    That will piss off the right wing Christians to no end. But honestly you are right. Goose, gander.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Don't care. The fact is religion should never be a part of public property. Period.
    Says who? you? some tyrannical judge/justice that is clearly ignorant to the Bill of Rights or just interprets the document via their own political philosophies??

    These judges, lawyers and justices need to keep their damn personal politics out of the Bill of Rights...

    The First Amendment denies theocracy - not religion. If this nation was founded on atheism the framers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights would have just outright banned religion if that was their intent...

    It's very simple - our government cannot be theocratic or a theocracy and don't confuse that with the display of religious symbolism.... When our government starts throwing you or anyone in prison for your religious beliefs I will be the first one to get up and fight against that, however that has NEVER happened and NEVER will happen.

    In order to understand and interpret our Constitution and Bill of Rights you need to put yourself in the framers of the document(s) shoes and see what they saw happening in their time across the pond in Europe - they saw theocratic persecution, and all the framers (our founding fathers) wanted was freedom from persecution for holding religious views or any ideas..... That is something these dummy justices and judges and some politicians and activists don't understand.

    Before one can even begin to even interpret our founding documents they need to understand history first and the geo-politics of the time that led to those founding documents.

    Once you fully understand the geo-politics of that time period our founding documents and our founding fathers intentions become quite clear....

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    I would like to take a moment to remind everyone that a government spends money by enacting legislation. Spending money in support of a religious monument, even for something as simple as upkeep, is passing a law that favors religion. It may be a small favor, but it is a favor. Such a display ought to be on private property, not public. It necessarily creates an entangling of government and religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    The Ten Commandments are one of the foundational legal statements of mankind. They are entirely appropriate to posted in front of a courthouse. The examples you give are NOT part of the foundational legal examples of our society, the Ten are (along with several other documents). This is the reason they are there an as such, they should be left alone. It's why we haven't removed all the rest of the examples of the Ten from our federals buildings, because they represent one of the core documents of our legal system.

    Now, I'll most likely be accused of stating that the Ten are the foundation of our laws, which I most certainly am not stating. They are a part of it, but not the whole of it.
    They're really not. Greek and Roman law, which were not particularly influenced by Hebrew philosophy, are the oldest foundation of our modern notions of law. The ten commandments are a footnote at best. The "foundational legal statements" by humans (please remember to include the women) are Hammurabi's Code, the Magna Carta, the US constitution... The ten commandments really had very little to do with it. They didn't inspire the idea of law. They didn't inspire the methodology of law. They didn't inspire the mindset by which we make law. And most of them aren't law in this country. Half are unconstitutional. The ten commandments have very little to do with any of our modern notions of law and had very little to do with the process that got us here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Anything denoting religion on public property should not be allowed.
    Even I think that complaining about the name of a street is taking it a bit too far.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Says who? you? some tyrannical judge/justice that is clearly ignorant to the Bill of Rights or just interprets the document via their own political philosophies??
    It's basic fairness and respect for American citizens of different creeds. All or none.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Furthermore I find it ironic that most of our basic laws are derived from the Ten Commandments yet people, er better yet the atheist religion has a problem with them being displayed???
    Only three of the ten have anything to do with modern law.

    And atheist religion? There have already been lengthy threads about that one. Careful, or you're likely to get yet another one started.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    Personally I think it should be allowed, AS LONG AS any other religion is also allowed to put their monuments up on the same grounds.
    All or none.
    Absolutely.....

    Our First Amendment doesn't say; "freedom for Christianity" it states "freedom of religion."

    The thing is that the United States is mostly Christians and Muslims view idols or religious symbolism as a form of blasphemy, obviously Jews have their symbolism such as the 6-point star (or even the Ten Commandments), and Buddhists, they have Buddha.....

    It's no ones fault that Christianity happens to be the majority religion in the United States...

    There are plenty of religions, and any one of them are more than welcome to display their faith...

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