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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no you didn't correct me i corrected you, that is not the bill of rights., but the commandments.

    it does not say there are 4 constitutions, 4 organic laws, ..the declaration of Independence applies principles to the laws of america, and in states.

    who said Moses was a Christian....where are you getting that at?

    some of the founding principles are of a religious nature, and some are not.... the Constitution of 1788, applies principles of the DOI .....the body of the Constitution creates federalism....that's all, it does!......the bill of rights applies religious principles from the declaration of independence.

    i never said they created a religious government ..its secular, i said some ideas and laws, were based off of statements of Christianity, and they are.

    As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion as it has in itself no character of enmity [hatred] against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] and as the said States [America] have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.


    this states direcly the federal government is not Christian......it does not say the united states and its people are not
    I dont care who is religious as long as they do not force it on anyone. Here in New Mexico some folks thought that they would try and force their religion on other people, fortunately our Constitution won that battle again. it turns out that another religion didnt like it.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I dont care who is religious as long as they do not force it on anyone. Here in New Mexico some folks thought that they would try and force their religion on other people, fortunately our Constitution won that battle again. it turns out that another religion didnt like it.
    The display of religious symbols is not forcing religion on anyone.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I dont care who is religious as long as they do not force it on anyone. Here in New Mexico some folks thought that they would try and force their religion on other people, fortunately our Constitution won that battle again. it turns out that another religion didnt like it.
    how is anyone forcing the religion on you.....by setting up a monument?..a Huck of stone........please, that's non sense.

    people every day in america are having their rights violated by the federal government....right to property, association, right to commerce, be secure in their person.bear arms.......an a Huck of stone, or someone getting a discount for praying....these really need to be addressed?.....its no wonder this nation is going to fall.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    California has a Greek Goddess in the state seal, and no one cares.
    Right, but the Greek Goddess isn't holding Moses' tablets with the ten commandments on them.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    how is anyone forcing the religion on you.....by setting up a monument?..a Huck of stone........please, that's non sense.

    people every day in america are having their rights violated by the federal government....right to property, association, right to commerce, be secure in their person.bear arms.......an a Huck of stone, or someone getting a discount for praying....these really need to be addressed?.....its no wonder this nation is going to fall.
    Well ok then let them Communists put up a monument right smack in the middle of the Supreme Court building since a big piece of granite means nothing compared to your agenda.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    California has a Greek Goddess in the state seal, and no one cares.
    Never knew.
    Strictly speaking she shouldn't be there.

    Any other states have a religious artifact?

    Over and above the US Seal itself, the motto and the currency, I mean.

    Arizona: Ditat Deus
    Arkansas: Goddess of Liberty
    Colorado: Nil Sine Numine (iffy)
    Florida: In God We Trust

    hmm tired I looked up to Maryland alphabetically. It has been edifying.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The display of religious symbols is not forcing religion on anyone.
    Non Jews (or non Christians) should not be forced to pay for the care of offensive religious monuments. Those wanting the Monument are free to put it on their own private property and care for it themselves. They could purchase a piece of property downtown Bloomfield (its a small nothing of a town) and put it there where they would have the Constitutional right to do so. Well unless there are any local ordinances against it, but having been to Bloomfield I seriously doubt that they would have such a thing.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post
    Never knew.
    Strictly speaking she shouldn't be there.

    Any other states have a religious artifact?
    I would agree but it should be noted that, that Greek Goddess is from a defunct religion.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I would agree but it should be noted that, that Greek Goddess is from a defunct religion.
    Yes I was going to point that out. Sooo tired...
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