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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    And what is the message?
    Everyone is free to make their own interpretations, but a predisposition to religious values is a possibility.

    And what makes the message something that should not appear on state owned property?
    A predisposition to religious values is a possibility.

    If the people of a certain community want to raise funds for a monument to Allah and the city council approves of that use, why should it be forbidden to a free people?
    Why should it be a function of the council approving it? Why allow one an not another?

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    as I stated the 1st amendment is a restriction placed on the federal government to make no law concerning religion, having a monument on public property is not law making.
    But why aren't you addressing what I wrote?

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Swit View Post
    I could go through the process of showing you how the definitions of words actually do change over time, but that lesson would be wasted on you.
    It wouldn't get far with me, either, as far as the Constitution is concerned. I believe the Constitution should be interpreted according to the generally accepted definition of the words at the time they were written.

    Besides it's the interpretation of the document that's important. And that job is left to the judicial system alone.
    The Supreme Court claimed the right to review the constitutionality of federal laws in Marbury v. Madison in 1803. I don't question that right. But the Court did not claim it was the solearbiter of what the Constitution means until Cooper v. Aaron in 1958. And I do question that claim. Congress has several ways to check the Supreme Court. And the people of the states have the final say about what anything in the Constitution means.

    This is freaking precious! The fact that it is a "living" document ALLOWED for the insertion of the bill of rights. If it wasn't amendable you could not own guns, women couldn't vote and black people would still be slaves. Are you really asking for a revert to the Constitution where there is no Bill of rights or other ammendments?
    I have never seen an argument about the Constitution being a living, breathing document, including the ones made by Supreme Court justices, that was talking about amendments. You are conflating expansive interpretations of the Constitution with amendments to it in a very misleading way. I'll leave it to others to decide whether that's disingenuous of you.

    What you are claiming is flatly untrue. The ability to amend the Constitution does not depend at all on how strictly or expansively the Supreme Court has interpreted it in its decisions. No one had to make the Constitution a "living document," in the sense liberals have used that term to justify interpreting its words to mean whatever they want it to, to allow any amendment to it--including the amendments you mention.

    The men who wrote the Constitution purposely included within it specific procedures for amending it, in Article V. The very fact they did that strongly suggests that they did not intend for it to be "amended" by the shortcut stratagem of torturing its meaning to fit the demands of whatever political faction happened to be squawking loudest at the time.

    The authors of the Constitution purposely made it hard to amend, by requiring a series of supermajority votes, for a damn good reason. And that is that a constitution which means nothing more than a simple majority--or even a vocal minority--can persuade a few judges to declare it means at a given time is not really a constitution at all. The document is the "Constitution of the United States"--not "Suggested Guidelines for Governing the United States."

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    But why aren't you addressing what I wrote?
    because what I stated previously is constitutional law, plain and simple... to the point.

    as far as religion and the constitution other then the 1st .... there is no religious test to be a representative of the government.

    so why your giving me Muslims ....I don't know

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    " Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

    Does posting the Ten commandments on a Public building do that ?

    And also, what does Sharia Law have to do with our Judeo Christian founding ?
    Since we didn't have a Judeo Christian founding...
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    It's just words, what's the big deal?
    Hey, why not put Hitler quotes up there too? It's just words, what's the big deal?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    We're speaking in generalities here, not your specifics...
    You asked which ones SHE disagreed with, of course you're going to get specifics.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Since we didn't have a Judeo Christian founding...
    I don't want to say Christian founding, however in forming the ideas and our laws of this land, the founders did express statements of Christianity in creating them.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    ...so why your giving me Muslims ....I don't know
    Because what I proposed wold be unacceptable even if there was no laws passed. Point is that endorsement is just as good as law.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Because what I proposed wold be unacceptable even if there was no laws passed. Point is that endorsement is just as good as law.
    I wonder how the USSC is able to keep its 10 commandments and the image it displays of Moses.
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