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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    One left wing activist judge's ruling does not a "Judicial System " make.
    I am curioushow do you know this particular judge's political affiliation? Do you even know the name of the judge? Can you point to other rulings this judge has made that would support your claim?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    His ruling will be appealed, as it should be.
    Quite possibly
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    The Constitution is a document made of words written in ENGLISH.
    Well at least you are correct about something regarding the constitution
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    The definition of those words has never changed.
    I could go through the process of showing you how the definitions of words actually do change over time, but that lesson would be wasted on you. Besides it's the interpretation of the document that's important. And that job is left to the judicial system alone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The ONLY thing thats changed is how those words are interpreted as desperate activist seek to undermine our founding documents based on a variety of twisted motivations.
    Couldn't the same be said about your interpretation of it? Then again your interpretation (or mine for that matter) doesn't matter now does it?
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    The Judges decision wasn't based on the definition of the First Amendment, it was based on his adherence to a twisted ideology
    Do you have any evidence that supports this assertion?
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    A Constitution thats " living '', or that can be corrupted based on the whims of extremely short sighted individuals is NOT a Constitution any more.
    This is freaking precious! The fact that it is a "living" document ALLOWED for the insertion of the bill of rights. If it wasn't amendable you could not own guns, women couldn't vote and black people would still be slaves. Are you really asking for a revert to the Constitution where there is no Bill of rights or other ammendments?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Also, you should educate yourself on the MANY connections between Islam and the Old Testament.
    I have many muslim friends some extremely devout, after reading your post I actually called one and ask re: the 10 commandments. You are completely wrong and / or misinformed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    With the exception of the 4rth Comamndemnt they consider them a integral part of their Quaranic teachings.
    see above.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Please publish a section of the Muslim roll of butt wipe that in the slightest way resembles The Ten Commandments.
    Nice.

    From Comparing the Ten Commandments with verses from the Qur'an

    17:22: Do not associate another deity with God.
    47:19: Know therefore that there is no god but God.
    73:8: Remember the name of your Lord and devote yourself to Him exclusively.

    17:23-24: You shall be kind to your parents. If one or both of them live to their old age in your lifetime, you shall not say to them any word of contempt nor repel them, and you shall address them in kind words. You shall lower to them the wing of humility and pray: "O Lord! Bestow on them Your blessings just as they cherished me when I was a little child."

    17:32: You shall not commit adultery. Surely it is a shameful deed and an evil way.

    4:32: Do not covet the bounties that God has bestowed more abundantly on some of you than on others.

    17:33: And do not take any human being's life - that God willed to be sacred - other than in [the pursuit of] justice."

    25:72: And (know that the true servants of God are) those who do not bear witness to falsehood.

    Oh, and keep in mind that Islam recognizes many religious texts and religious figures from Judaism and Christianity. Abraham and Moses both have prominent roles in Islam. Jesus also has a role, though he is classified as a prophet rather than a deity. It is very likely (if not certain) that the injunctions listed above were drawn from the Decalogue.


    I don't see any Christian ties to the 10 as they should apply to all peoples of the world.
    Uh. Have you actually read the Ten Commandments lately?

    Does the 1st Commandment apply to Buddhists, Taoists, Zoroastrians?
    Should we start executing Hindus, for worshiping statues of Ganesh?
    Is it illegal in the United States to take the name of the Lord in vain?
    Why should a non-religious person care about the sabbath?

    Do you really not see how 1, 2, 3, 4 are specific to Judeo-Christian religions?

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Please publish a section of the Muslim roll of butt wipe that in the slightest way resembles The Ten Commandments. I don't see any Christian ties to the 10 as they should apply to all peoples of the world. It is ignornant Americans that attack anything that their beloved government does not like. Piss on the feds.
    All 10? So you want to implement a world-wide christian theocracy? You're telling me that you honor the sabbath every weekend?

    Only 3 are real laws, don't kill, don't steal, and don't bear false testimony. Adultery could be considered as a 4th depending on the state. If you think the other 6 should be enforced by the governments of the world, you need to present a good reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Our Bill of Rights is supposed to protect all forms of religion not deny religion.... Displaying the Ten Commandments is hardly pandering or even supporting a specific religion....

    I'm not the biggest Bill Mahr fan (or hardly a fan at all) however he did once say something I completely agree with: "Since when did atheists turn into vampires?"

    Since when did the US become an anti-religious nation?

    The idea behind the First Amendment was to ban theocratic government - not ban religion.

    It is perfectly constitutional for all religions to display their idols or religious symbols - even on alleged government or communal property.

    Furthermore I find it ironic that most of our basic laws are derived from the Ten Commandments yet people, er better yet the atheist religion has a problem with them being displayed???

    I would love to know which of the Ten Commandments these atheists disagree with? Either way they certainly disagree with our Bill of Rights....
    Well, then, we should all just go down and put up our own statues all over government property. The Tesla, Buddha, and Mohammed statues are going to look great next to the buddy Jesus statue.

    Oh, and are the statues I put up funded by the government or do only christians get the money for their stuff?
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I agree. It was funded by private sources.
    It is not the funding but the message.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    They don't care much for natural law either.
    That is because it does not exist.

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    but can you tell me how having a monument on a piece of property is law?

    The constitution prohibits law making on reglious matters
    So you wold be OK then with a test making sure that say the next batch of senators were all Muslim? You know, an unwritten law, but just as effective?

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Man, there are always crazies that want to ban something. I'm not one of them BTW, as a matter of fact I think "bans" are evil....
    Yet when bans against gay marriage were struck down you opposed them. Nice hypocrisy...

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    It is not the funding but the message.
    And what is the message? And what makes the message something that should not appear on state owned property? If the people of a certain community want to raise funds for a monument to Allah and the city council approves of that use, why should it be forbidden to a free people?

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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    So you wold be OK then with a test making sure that say the next batch of senators were all Muslim? You know, an unwritten law, but just as effective?
    as I stated the 1st amendment is a restriction placed on the federal government to make no law concerning religion, having a monument on public property is not law making.
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    Re: Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1) No, I do not.

    2) You didn't ask that specific question, so stop acting to my full expectations.
    Others here can follow the conversation, and see for themselves how it went down. Now with that said, I can tell you for sure that your view is unconstitutional. From the Constitution of the United States......

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    There it is in black and white.

    1) While it says Congress, The Supreme Court ruled, in Everson v. Board of Education (330 U.S. 1), that the Establishment Clause also applies to state and local governments, not just the federal government.

    2) But what was on the mind of our forefathers, when the penned the First Amendment. It is pretty straightforward, when you look at this writing penned by Thomas Jefferson himself.

    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

    -Thomas Jefferson

    3) Now, while the meaning of the establishment clause is still up in the air, as to whether or not ANY religious symbols or writings are allowed to by put on public buildings, it is clear no government is allowed to pick and choose one religion over the other as to the choosing of those religious symbols or writings. For in doing so, they are "Prohibiting the free exercise thereof" to other religions, as defined in the First Amendment. This is unconstitutional.

    4) Now for the icing on the cake. How did our forefathers feel about religions other than Christianity? Thomas Jefferson again....

    "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. "

    -Thomas Jefferson

    That's right. Freedom of religion does not apply to just one religion. It applies to ALL religions, and no government is allowed to pick and choose which religions are going to be favored. If that upsets you, then maybe you should just move to a nation that practices theocracy, because that is exactly what you are promoting. You might try Iran. While the Mullahs there might disagree with which religion you would choose to foist on the people, they would certainly agree with you that government should be dictated by a single religion of their choosing. That is not only unamerican, but is a view that is dangerous to the American way of life itself.
    Last edited by danarhea; 08-09-14 at 03:39 PM.
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