I have an answer for everything...you may not like the answer or it may not satisfy your curiosity..but it will still be an answer. ~ Kal'Stang
My mind and my heart are saying I'm in my twenties. My body is pointing at my mind and heart and laughing its ass off. ~ Kal'Stang
uhh.. yeah.. it's a pretty famous "saying" from a supreme court justice... and it's true.So... you are drawing you conclusion that the ability to tax is the ability to destroy from a singuar USSC opinion from 1819?
what happend when you get behoind on your taxes?.. tax liens, property siezures, etc.... these are examples of the whole "destroy " thing
you asked for something to back up my position... supreme court cases do pretty well in that capacity.okay not sure what you are trying to prove here.... can you clarify? Or at least explain what this was in reference to?
churches being tax exempt has been understood since our inception as a polity.... it's only very recently that the left wing has decided to
attack religion, abnd te separation of church and state, by arguing the govt should be controlling them via taxation....
insofar as the governemmnt is concerned.. yes.. i'm defending them.Are you defending televangelists and mega-churches? Are you willing to go on record that they are primarily in the business of doing "God's work"
are they doing my idea of "god's work"? .. no, they aren't.
but neither me nor the govt are arbiters of "god's work".. and we especially don't want govt acting in that capacity, either through legislation or taxation.. it would be unconstitutional.
anyways.. i'm out.. i'm tired and the whiskey is having an effect on my typin'...nite
The above quote was basically a story told by a National Park Ranger, a federal employee, to tourists in Hawaii. And in numerous National Parks, there are signs quoting Chief Seattle or someone with something like "The Earth is Our Mother and We must Honor Our Mother".Pele was born of the female spirit Haumea, or Hina, who, like all other important Hawai'i gods and goddesses, descended from the supreme beings, Papa, or Earth Mother, and Wakea, Sky Father. Pele was among the first voyagers to sail to Hawai'i, pursued, legends say, by her angry older sister, Na-maka-o-kaha'i because Pele had seduced her husband. Pele landed first on Kaua'i, but every time she thrust her o'o (digging stick) into the earth to dig a pit for her home, Na-maka-o-kaha'i, goddess of water and the sea, would flood the pits. Pele moved down the chain of islands in order of their geological formation, eventually landing on the Big Island's Mauna Loa, which is considered the tallest mountain on earth when measured from its base at the bottom of the ocean.
Of course, this stuff is religious nonsense (The earth clearly is not my mother) for most of us and non-believers like myself simply disregard it or enjoy the story. Not sure why so many people get so upset over the 10 Commandments but don't mind this other nonsense. I was raised as a Unitarian which has as a symbol the flaming chalice so that any flame, such as the Olympic torch, some emotional, religious strings for me but for others it is just a stupid thing burning.
But why do so many get so upset over silly things that provide comfort to others at no cost or pain to themselves? BTW, the 10 Commandments is more of a Jewish thing and there have been conflicts between Christians and Jews. Not sure how that establishes a religion.
Last edited by Eric7216; 08-09-14 at 12:34 AM.
So I beg to differ that these things are always illegal, hence not a commandment. Commandments are pretty black and white.
jallman: "It's all good. At least you have a thick skin and can take being poked fun back at without crying. "
Putting a monument to the Ten Commandments on public lands is not the same as describing a religious belief. If the intent is to promulgate a religion, and it's on public land, it's a problem. Sometimes the courts let it slide because the intent is allegedly historical; e.g. if you have a display of 20 different historical legal documents that include the Code of Hammurabi and the Magna Carta and the Constitution of the Athenians, and the Ten Commandments is one among many (and is not, for example, 20 times larger than the others), I'd say you have a decent argument in favor of historicity. Courts occasionally apply the "Lemon Test" to help determine whether or not a given display runs afoul of the injunction against an establishment of religion.
It depends upon the context of the display.Not sure why so many people get so upset over the 10 Commandments but don't mind this other nonsense.
If there is a plaque that has a quasi-religious aspect (e.g. "the Earth is our mother") then even if it's religious in origin, it's not necessarily a problem. It may be historical in nature, its meaning may be secular, and so forth. If there is a plaque that basically says "this deity orders you to follow these legal principles," that's an establishment of religion.
Because some of us don't want a religion shoved down our throats by the state.But why do so many get so upset over silly things that provide comfort to others at no cost or pain to themselves?