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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    But felons still can't have guns...right?

    The title is a bit confusing.
    They can and do have guns - they just can't generally legally walk into a gun store and buy them, but there are other ways around that if you know the right people or in the right crowed....

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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    I think they did the right thing. However, perhaps that law needs some revision.

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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I agree and disagree
    i do think that logically when the time is served rights should be restored

    then i think what about a person who killed or raped muiltiple people? do I really want them to have a gun? but i guess step one would be why is he out if he cant be trusted?

    in SOME cases i would find it tricky but the solution is properly they should be out in the first place, so again i basically agree.
    Oh I agree. If someone is convicted of multiple instances of rape or murder slim chances they are out of prison and not on parole. (I am ok with people on parole having their rights limited.)
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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'd also like to add that young adults make mistakes (18-21) and the mistakes they make shouldn't follow them around for the rest of their lives just because they did something stupid as a kid just as long as it wasn't a "serious" offense like murder or armed robbery etc.. People do change - hell I was a super pro government progressive when I was 18 even to the point of agreeing with socialism, but obviously that changed.. Sometimes people just do stupid stuff when they're younger and their past should have absolutely no effect on what they do or want to do 10-15 years down the road just as long as they keep a clean record.
    I like the clean record bit (snort)

    I know of someone who has many dui's, here in SIN, 4th. is a felony, this idiot never learned his lesson, on his most recent dui, he had a firearm in his possession, ooooops. He recently got out of Mendota, doesn't have a job, isn't gainfully employed (who knows why?) and his children are in a grandparent's custody.

    I'm waiting for the day he'll finally be free, and out of rehab, and commit his next felony.

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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Oh I agree. If someone is convicted of multiple instances of rape or murder slim chances they are out of prison and not on parole. (I am ok with people on parole having their rights limited.)
    Well there are plenty of crazy violent people out there that did commit murder or rape but just plead to a lesser charge, or evidence was thrown out making it impossible to convict a true evil person.

    Our judicial system is hardly the best in the world and lawyers are generally slime considering they treat the "system" like some sort of game...

    I've seen completely innocent people go to prison or held in prison when all the evidence proves the individual was innocent, while I have seen straight up killers walk or plead to lesser charges.... In our judicial system it's really not about what you did - it's about who you know. That is why the super rich who can afford lawyers walk away from some pretty serious crimes and why the poor who have the public defenders get the book thrown at them.... It is certainly not right, but at least there are a few organizations out there such as "The Innocence Project" that do care and work to correct this injustice.

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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I like the clean record bit (snort)

    I know of someone who has many dui's, here in SIN, 4th. is a felony, this idiot never learned his lesson, on his most recent dui, he had a firearm in his possession, ooooops. He recently got out of Mendota, doesn't have a job, isn't gainfully employed (who knows why?) and his children are in a grandparent's custody.

    I'm waiting for the day he'll finally be free, and out of rehab, and commit his next felony.
    There's bad people out there obviously who are career criminals - who never learn their lesson, however there are plenty of decent people that got caught doing something stupid (especially when they were younger) but are hardly criminals...

    Lets also not forget the people who are completely innocent and who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time...

    You see, cops/detectives are lazy people and they don't honestly care if they get the right guy - their main goal is to close a case and get a pat on their back....

    Lookup Lake County Illinois..... These clowns actually held a father (his name is Jerry Hobbs) for the murder of his own daughter for 5 years, despite the fact that the DNA they found at the scene was that of a serial killer who murdered/raped two other woman in Virginia (he was in the Navy) and the damn prosecutors knew all about this DNA but hid it from the defense for 3 damn years... The whole time they knew they had the wrong guy but didn't even care...

    I can give you 10 more stories from my county that are similar....

    I suppose my point is that the judicial system is and can be just as evil (if not more) than the alleged perpetrators of crimes...

    I agree tho, being a deadbeat with 4 DUI's is just not right.....

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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Oh I agree. If someone is convicted of multiple instances of rape or murder slim chances they are out of prison and not on parole. (I am ok with people on parole having their rights limited.)
    exactly, its a grey area and im sure it could always use tweeking.
    its gonna be circumstantial.

    a felon convicted of stealing stamps isnt going to concern people as much as a serial rapist. its tricky when people just use the term felon all it buy its self
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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well there are plenty of crazy violent people out there that did commit murder or rape but just plead to a lesser charge, or evidence was thrown out making it impossible to convict a true evil person.

    Our judicial system is hardly the best in the world and lawyers are generally slime considering they treat the "system" like some sort of game...

    I've seen completely innocent people go to prison or held in prison when all the evidence proves the individual was innocent, while I have seen straight up killers walk or plead to lesser charges.... In our judicial system it's really not about what you did - it's about who you know. That is why the super rich who can afford lawyers walk away from some pretty serious crimes and why the poor who have the public defenders get the book thrown at them.... It is certainly not right, but at least there are a few organizations out there such as "The Innocence Project" that do care and work to correct this injustice.
    I agree with all of that. Not sure how it pertains to my post you quoted about "felons" who have served thier time having their rights restored. But I agree.
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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I didn't know this, but I like it. Although they shouldn't even have to apply. When a person commits a crime they are punished. When that punishment ends, their restrictions should go with it. These laws about felons owning guns, voting, trouble finding jobs or houses is bull**** to me.
    Especially considering how many peaceful "drug felons" we have....

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    Re: Arizona ruling overturns conviction of felon carrying gun

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    There's bad people out there obviously who are career criminals - who never learn their lesson, however there are plenty of decent people that got caught doing something stupid (especially when they were younger) but are hardly criminals...

    Lets also not forget the people who are completely innocent and who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time...

    You see, cops/detectives are lazy people and they don't honestly care if they get the right guy - their main goal is to close a case and get a pat on their back....

    Lookup Lake County Illinois..... These clowns actually held a father (his name is Jerry Hobbs) for the murder of his own daughter for 5 years, despite the fact that the DNA they found at the scene was that of a serial killer who murdered/raped two other woman in Virginia (he was in the Navy) and the damn prosecutors knew all about this DNA but hid it from the defense for 3 damn years... The whole time they knew they had the wrong guy but didn't even care...

    I can give you 10 more stories from my county that are similar....

    I suppose my point is that the judicial system is and can be just as evil (if not more) than the alleged perpetrators of crimes...

    I agree tho, being a deadbeat with 4 DUI's is just not right.....
    DUI isn't really considered a criminal offense, is it. It's a victim-less offense, until an innocent person is killed.

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