American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq[W:1007]

Donc · Aug 21, 2014

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Conservative said:
Better tell that to the Butler Commission who confirmed that happened

What was the evidence that was presented to the "Butler Commission "?

Conservative · Aug 21, 2014

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Donc said:
What was the evidence that was presented to the "Butler Commission "?

Read the Butler report, I am done with you and your trolling

US Conservative · Aug 21, 2014

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solletica said:
You still never gave us an example of when Clinton "decided to take out the Bathists."

If he ordered no military action, then how can you say that he "decided to take out the Bathists" ?

Explain this contradiction.

Good evening madam.

Porchev · Aug 21, 2014

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solletica said:
You still never gave us an example of when Clinton "decided to take out the Bathists."

If he ordered no military action, then how can you say that he "decided to take out the Bathists" ?

Explain this contradiction.

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 was, in effect, saying to take out the Baathists with regime change. As far as military action, there was Operation Desert Fox.

Donc · Aug 21, 2014

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Conservative said:
Read the Butler report, I am done with you and your trolling

Before you run; are we in agreement that if it weren't for our incursion into Iraq we would not be seeing ISSA today?:2wave:

matchlight · Aug 21, 2014

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Well, now that the President have given his stern little speech and promised to be relentless, I'm sure those ISIS rats have well and truly had the fear of God put into them. They know our Barry's blood is up, and I'm sure we won't be hearing much more from them.

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 23, 2014

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Donc said:
And if bush hadn't lied us into the Iraq invasion, we wouldn't be facing the disease of ISIS today. They wouldn't exist. ISSIS would be a wet dream for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi/ al Qaeda in Iraq. More than likely he would be teaching Islamic studies as a preacher in Diyala province, to the north east of Baghdad, where he was during the bush invasion of 2003.:2wave:

Democrats were war hawks on Iraq long before Bush even ran for president:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 23, 2014

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solletica said:
There would've been no ISIS in Iraq had konservatives not ejaculated themselves in 2001 and put Dumbya into power, who decided to take out one of the few secular (Baathist) regimes that kept militant Islam under wraps.

You can stop the phony ignorance act anytime now. It was Clinton that made regime change in Iraq US policy. And every democrat you worship with the exception of "Hussein" Obama" were war hawks long before Bush ran for president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 23, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
You are mistaken there, there are some on this board that say we should stay there like we are in Germany now. The difference of course is that Germany has actually agreed to it where Iraq wanted us out.

I'm betting Iraq wishes we had been their when the ISIS goons started attacking.

Montecresto · Aug 23, 2014

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ObamacareFail said:
Which policies would those be? Be specific.

How many times must it be repeated. In fact why you don't already know the answer to your question is the very reason why we keep repeating insane policies in the ME.

In recent years, President Obama, his European friends, and even some Middle Eastern allies, have supported “rebel groups” in Libya and Syria. Some received training, financial and military support to overthrow Muammar Gadhafi and battle Bashar al Assad. It’s a strategy that follows the old saying, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend,” and it has been the American and allied approach for decades in deciding whether to support opposition groups and movements.

The problem is that it is completely unreliable — and often far worse than other strategies. Every year there are more cases in which this approach backfires. The most glaring and famous failure was in Afghanistan, where some of the groups taught (and supplied) to fight the Soviet Army later became stridently anti-Western. In that environment, Al Qaeda flourished and established the camps where perpetrators of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were trained. Yet instead of learning from its mistakes, the United States keeps making them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...ghting-us-now-we-just-finished-training-them/

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen

Montecresto · Aug 23, 2014

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ObamacareFail said:
Which policies would those be? Be specific.

Preface: The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:

Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

Odom also said:

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

Conservative · Aug 23, 2014

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Montecresto said:
Preface: The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:

Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

Odom also said:

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

Oh, Good Lord, are you really this naive? You believe that radical Islamic fundamentalists play by any rules at all and believe in the rule of law? your problem is you try to justify your actions by comparing everyone else to your own standards. That isn't the way the world works and there is evil in it. This is evil and they have a policy, convert or die. Which do you choose?

Montecresto · Aug 23, 2014

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Conservative said:
Oh, Good Lord, are you really this naive? You believe that radical Islamic fundamentalists play by any rules at all and believe in the rule of law? your problem is you try to justify your actions by comparing everyone else to your own standards. That isn't the way the world works and there is evil in it. This is evil and they have a policy, convert or die. Which do you choose?

The director of national security has a vastly larger understanding then a winger on the Internet. Clearly you have your head firmly in the sand. Have a good weekend.

Conservative · Aug 23, 2014

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Montecresto said:
The director of national security has a vastly larger understanding then a winger on the Internet. Clearly you have your head firmly in the sand. Have a good weekend.

History says this "winger" on the internet actually has watched activities since the 70's. My bet is so have most others but apparently not you

Montecresto · Aug 23, 2014

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TheNextEra said:
Bush didn't win anything. There was a corrupt government, sectarian violence and mistrust of the Iraqi government. Sorry, but yes, the problems in Iraq stem from Bush attacking and removing Saddam. Now, you are free to argue that we needed to do it, but don't expect anyone to buy your BS that Bush won the war. All Bush did was create a powder keg that was destined to explode.

Less and less Americans believe Bush won anything. More and more Americans now understand that both wars he launched were a mistake. The only down side is that Americans are always duped long enough for the damage to be done. Think we'll have enough people calling bull**** to shut down military involvement in Syria now. Or will the endless props drug out to handwringing over IS, and the fear mongering of potential attacks at home, frighten Americans into supporting more failed US policy in the ME?

Conservative · Aug 23, 2014

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Montecresto said:
Less and less Americans believe Bush won anything. More and more Americans now understand that both wars he launched were a mistake. The only down side is that Americans are always duped long enough for the damage to be done. Think we'll have enough people calling bull**** to shut down military involvement in Syria now. Or will the endless props drug out to handwringing over IS, and the fear mongering of potential attacks at home, frighten Americans into supporting more failed US policy in the ME?

We have a lot of low information voters in this country who buy rhetoric and have basically no logic and common sense. It really is a shame that these people know more about American Idol than what is going on in the world. You are very naive and very gullible. You will change with age.

Grant · Aug 23, 2014

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Montecresto said:
Less and less Americans believe Bush won anything.

Are Barrack Obama and Joe Biden among those fewer and fewer Americans? If so they haven't mentioned it. But if fewer people believe it, or more, what has that to do with the truth? Does believing make it so?

When Obama declared the War on Terror to be over, did you believe that?

More and more Americans now understand that both wars he launched were a mistake.

Do they believe that the world would have been better with Saddam Hussein? These Americans are frightened of the unknown and wish they were safe from the Islamists out to get them. But the fact is that these terrorists have always been out to get innocent people throughout the world. These Americans you speak of (and others) don't understand that going to war is one thing and winning the war quite another.

The only down side is that Americans are always duped long enough for the damage to be done. Think we'll have enough people calling bull**** to shut down military involvement in Syria now. Or will the endless props drug out to handwringing over IS, and the fear mongering of potential attacks at home, frighten Americans into supporting more failed US policy in the ME?

Terrorists will do their best to attack nations around the world, not just Americans, in an attempt to spread their version of Islam. Your policy of running and hiding may make you feel more secure temporarily but they'll still pull you out from under that bed and treat you as they did Danny Pearl or Mike Foley.

Montecresto · Aug 23, 2014

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Grant said:
Are Barrack Obama and Joe Biden among those fewer and fewer Americans? If so they haven't mentioned it. But if fewer people believe it, or more, what has that to do with the truth? Does believing make it so?

When Obama declared the War on Terror to be over, did you believe that?

Do they believe that the world would have been better with Saddam Hussein? These Americans are frightened of the unknown and wish they were safe from the Islamists out to get them. But the fact is that these terrorists have always been out to get innocent people throughout the world. These Americans you speak of (and others) don't understand that going to war is one thing and winning the war quite another. Terrorists will do their best to attack nations around the world, not just Americans, in an attempt to spread their version of Islam. Your policy of running and hiding may make you feel more secure temporarily but they'll still pull you out from under that bed and treat you as they did Danny Pearl or Mike Foley.

Go hold hands with Harper and along with the Mounties, lead the charge if you think that IS is a threat to you. I'm not hiding and I'm not scared. I'm interested in my country finding more effective policies for working in the Middle East. That's something you have no dog in the race on, just opinion.

Grant · Aug 23, 2014

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Montecresto said:
Go hold hands with Harper and along with the Mounties, lead the charge if you think that IS is a threat to you. I'm not hiding and I'm not scared. I'm interested in my country finding more effective policies for working in the Middle East. That's something you have no dog in the race on, just opinion.

Yes, I live in Canada and Costa Rica so am in no real danger at all, though eastern Canadians might be. But their main target, as on 9/11, and apropos of their voiced threats, is the United States. I know that the US and Canada are working together through intelligence and that Canada has come out in strong support of Israel (moreso than Obama in fact) and believe that this PM would support the US militarily also, however we can.

I feel I know where you stand in all of this because you once dismissively accused me of being "pro-American", which is the one thing you got right. I'm even for Americans like yourself..

Montecresto · Aug 23, 2014

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Grant said:
Yes, I live in Canada and Costa Rica so am in no real danger at all, though eastern Canadians might be. But their main target, as on 9/11, and apropos of their voiced threats, is the United States. I know that the US and Canada are working together through intelligence and that Canada has come out in strong support of Israel (moreso than Obama in fact) and believe that this PM would support the US militarily also, however we can.

I feel I know where you stand in all of this because you once dismissively accused me of being "pro-American", which is the one thing you got right. I'm even for Americans like yourself..

If I recall, it wasn't dismissive, it was a complement that you are more pro American then many Americans.

Grant · Aug 23, 2014

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Montecresto said:
If I recall, it wasn't dismissive, it was a complement that you are more pro American then many Americans.

Well, perhaps, though it certainly didn't seem so at the time. If it matters, I am pro-democracy and because the US is the world's leading democracy, I support America. I also support Canada, Australia and New Zealand, among many others.

And I don't qualify my support by saying things like, Sure, Australia (Canada, US, ...) has made some mistakes...etc.

Like this guy. Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower

Thoreau72 · Aug 24, 2014

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Man alive, these ISIS guys are about as big a threat to the US today as the Viet Cong was in 1965.

Let's all be scared, very scared. :roll:

Montecresto · Aug 24, 2014

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Grant said:
Well, perhaps, though it certainly didn't seem so at the time. If it matters, I am pro-democracy and because the US is the world's leading democracy, I support America. I also support Canada, Australia and New Zealand, among many others.

And I don't qualify my support by saying things like, Sure, Australia (Canada, US, ...) has made some mistakes...etc.

Like this guy. Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower

I took you as a guy that never apologies when wrong and sees it as a sign of weakness. Those of us that oppose the menacing US policies in the ME are pro-democracy as well. But then we haven't a single democracy in the ME, for all our money and blood that we've shed, and blood that the citizens of the ME have shed as a direct result of US aggression/regime changes there.

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 24, 2014

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Montecresto said:
Preface: The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:

Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

Odom also said:

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

You are still failing. Name one policy by the USA that justifies terrorism against innocent civiliians. And be specific.

LetsGoBrandon · Aug 24, 2014

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Montecresto said:
Less and less Americans believe Bush won anything. More and more Americans now understand that both wars he launched were a mistake. The only down side is that Americans are always duped long enough for the damage to be done. Think we'll have enough people calling bull**** to shut down military involvement in Syria now. Or will the endless props drug out to handwringing over IS, and the fear mongering of potential attacks at home, frighten Americans into supporting more failed US policy in the ME?

You are not a credible authority either on what the American people believe or on what Bush accomplished. Any war in your mind is ill advised...more so if the president who ordered it had an "R" in front of his name on the ballot. Using your logic the Nazis would not have been pushed back in WW2. And they would now dominate at least Europe. Iraqi citizens now get to vote and elect their own leaders. As a result of the 2003 invasion, they enjoyed freedoms that they had not had in generations...and will again when ISIS is destroyed. You will just have to accept that Saddam Hussein is dead. If you cannot work out that as a result of the 2003 invasion and without ISIS, the average Iraqi's lot in life is much improved, then it is just a case of your own wish for failure in Iraq. I cannot help you.