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American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq[W:1007]

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I am? How?

We had a pretty good go of that a few months back in a different forum. You might think that only loosely organised and generally un uniformed groups mostly from Muslim countries are capable of terrorism. But you'd be wrong. For near a month, Palestinian civilians were quite terrorised by Israeli shelling that took 2,000 lives and injured several more, the terror in palestinians faces and voices could be seen on international television daily. Of course US MSM tended to focus away from that, so you may have missed it.
 
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The Us bears some responsibility for any destructive behaviour they are capable of committing, as having been an enabler in part.

Could you be more specific? On the face of it Muslims returning to an area they once ruled several centuries ago would have little to do with the United States.
 
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We had a pretty good go of that a few months back in a different forum. You might think that only loosely organised and generally un uniformed groups mostly from Muslim countries are capable of terrorism. But you'd be wrong. For near a month, Palestinian civilians were quite terrorised by Israeli shelling that took 2,000 lives and injured several more, the terror in palestinians faces and voices could be seen on international television daily. Of course US MSM tended to focus away from that, so you may have missed it.

Israel and Hama's are not even on the same moral plane. They also aren't the topic of this thread.
 
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They bear sole blame for any criminal acts they commit. The US government bears responsibility for advancing policies that benefit, strengthen and embolden them.

Ever heard the term, "unintended consequences" or "**** happens"? I thought not... ;)
 
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Ok... you live under that delusion then. Afghanistan didn't attack us. It was just a really remote place for some asshats to hide and make plans... asshats from other countries like Saudi Arabia. Imperial Japan was a whole nation we were at war with. Don't know how you can make any ties of similarity at all.

The asshats you are referring to are the Taliban. The Taliban controlled the government of Afghanistan at the time. The Taliban gave al queda and the most notorious terrorist in the world a safe haven. The Taliban associated themselves with Osama Bin Laden. For all practical purposes the government of Afghanistan was complicit in the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01. Therefore Afghanistan did attack us. We gave them the opportunity to turn OBL over to us. They refused.
 
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They can declare themselves legitimate and go from there. Islamists have been called "Nazis in a hurry", but they can also be very patient.

They also have a profound commitment to their cause while the democracies are still, largely initiated by doltish leftists of course, self-censoring themselves about the possible perils of Islamophobia. Islamists have no such problem with words, or defining their intentions.

The amusing thing about the progressives who use the term "islamophobia" so broadly is that most of them are the same progressives who so harshly criticize Christianity.
 
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What a foolish statement. That didn't address my question at all, and you managed to bag a couple likes on it, too funny. Care to answer the question. Let me phrase it for you differently. Could people in the Middle East not have legitimate grievances against the US that would cause them to plant an IED along side a road and detonate it as a US military column passes by?

Before I will take you seriously enough to answer such questions directly, you will have to prove to me that you understand that the idiots who are setting up the IEDs are terrorists who do not represent any nation....in the middle east or anywhere else. Perhaps then you will understand that I do not accept that any terrorism is justified.
 
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They bear sole blame for any criminal acts they commit. The US government bears responsibility for advancing policies that benefit, strengthen and embolden them.

That is ludicrous. It's like saying: Let's check with terrorists before we decide on our foreign policy. Which part of "terrorists do not represent nations" do you not understand? Terrorists are fanatical bloody murderers. Committing acts of terrorism erases any right whatsoever to claim any grievance whatsoever.
 
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We had a pretty good go of that a few months back in a different forum. You might think that only loosely organised and generally un uniformed groups mostly from Muslim countries are capable of terrorism. But you'd be wrong. For near a month, Palestinian civilians were quite terrorised by Israeli shelling that took 2,000 lives and injured several more, the terror in palestinians faces and voices could be seen on international television daily. Of course US MSM tended to focus away from that, so you may have missed it.

That is ludicrous. You apparently lack the ability to distinguish between terrorism and self defense.
 
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The asshats you are referring to are the Taliban. The Taliban controlled the government of Afghanistan at the time. The Taliban gave al queda and the most notorious terrorist in the world a safe haven. The Taliban associated themselves with Osama Bin Laden. For all practical purposes the government of Afghanistan was complicit in the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01. Therefore Afghanistan did attack us. We gave them the opportunity to turn OBL over to us. They refused.

No.

No the Taliban didn't orchestrate the attack and no... the Taliban and AQ are not the same entity. What short memories we have... or limited sources of news I suppose.

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.​

U.S. Rejects New Taliban Offer

The United States today rejected yet another offer by Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to turn over Osama bin Laden for trial in a third country if the U.S. presents evidence against bin Laden and stops air attacks.​

Bush Rejects Taliban Bin Laden Offer

JALALABAD, Afghanistan –– A senior Taliban leader said Sunday that the Islamic militia would be willing to hand over Osama bin Laden to a third country if the United States halts the bombing of Afghanistan and provides evidence against him.​
 
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No.

No the Taliban didn't orchestrate the attack and no... the Taliban and AQ are not the same entity. What short memories we have... or limited sources of news I suppose.

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.​

U.S. Rejects New Taliban Offer

The United States today rejected yet another offer by Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to turn over Osama bin Laden for trial in a third country if the U.S. presents evidence against bin Laden and stops air attacks.​

Bush Rejects Taliban Bin Laden Offer

JALALABAD, Afghanistan –– A senior Taliban leader said Sunday that the Islamic militia would be willing to hand over Osama bin Laden to a third country if the United States halts the bombing of Afghanistan and provides evidence against him.​

You're repeating the points ObamacareFail already made. Did you not read his post before responding?
 
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That is ludicrous. You apparently lack the ability to distinguish between terrorism and self defense.

That's you. Al Qaeda was engaged in self defense in Iraq for years.
 
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No.

No the Taliban didn't orchestrate the attack and no... the Taliban and AQ are not the same entity. What short memories we have... or limited sources of news I suppose.

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.​

U.S. Rejects New Taliban Offer

The United States today rejected yet another offer by Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to turn over Osama bin Laden for trial in a third country if the U.S. presents evidence against bin Laden and stops air attacks.​

Bush Rejects Taliban Bin Laden Offer

JALALABAD, Afghanistan –– A senior Taliban leader said Sunday that the Islamic militia would be willing to hand over Osama bin Laden to a third country if the United States halts the bombing of Afghanistan and provides evidence against him.​

Once again, the fact that the Taliban offered safe haven to OBL and al queda....and refused to turn him over to the US made them complicit. And your links are irrelevant. The US demand for the turnover of OBL was not open to negotiations. Nor should it have been. And the Taliban's request for evidence was ludicrous. OBL had already openly admitted he was responsible for the attacks. The time for agreeing to turn OBL over to the US was before the bomb strikes commenced. And their offer to turn him over to a third country was also ludicrous. OBL did not attack a third country on 9/11/01. He attacked the USA. They had their chance.
 
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That's you. Al Qaeda was engaged in self defense in Iraq for years.

That is ofcourse ludicrous. Al queda in Iraq was blowing up mosques, beheading Iraqis as well as at least one American. They even murdered Sunni Muslims if they did not abide by a very harsh interpretation of Sharia Law. That's why at the time, even the Sunnis turned against them and started co-operating with the US and allied forces. That's why the surge worked. You really should stop making it up as you go along. You are coming off as incredibly clueless.
 
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Once again, the fact that the Taliban offered safe haven to OBL and al queda....and refused to turn him over to the US made them complicit. And your links are irrelevant. The US demand for the turnover of OBL was not open to negotiations. Nor should it have been. And the Taliban's request for evidence was ludicrous. OBL had already openly admitted he was responsible for the attacks. The time for agreeing to turn OBL over to the US was before the bomb strikes commenced. And their offer to turn him over to a third country was also ludicrous. OBL did not attack a third country on 9/11/01. He attacked the USA. They had their chance.


You are very ignorant of this history. Obl did not admit it until later. In fact they denied it for a while. The rest of your post is irrelevant as you dismiss facts and rant about things you don't know anything about. And then attempt to hide that ignorance with bluster and tough talk using an imaginary hindsight that isn't even factually correct.
 
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What is absolutely stunning is how naive most liberals are. what the hell did this Journalist do to cause him to be beheaded? Answer, nothing other than he doesn't practice Islam. Wake up liberals, radical Islam is a disease that wants you

Officials looking to identify location, executioner in ISIS video showing beheading of American journalist | Fox News

Nobody denies that radical Islam is the problem. The problem is when people like you who paint an entire religion as radical and stop short of wanting the extermination of ALL Muslims for it.
 
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Nobody denies that radical Islam is the problem. The problem is when people like you who paint an entire religion as radical and stop short of wanting the extermination of ALL Muslims for it.

You mean like the way you paint all Republicans/Conservatives? The U.S. has done more for the Muslim world than any other nation in the world, feeding them, protecting them, driving out evil and yet is it America's fault for the violence in the region.
 
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You mean like the way you paint all Republicans/Conservatives? The U.S. has done more for the Muslim world than any other nation in the world, feeding them, protecting them, driving out evil and yet is it America's fault for the violence in the region.

Nothing of what you said refutes ANYTHING I mentioned. Also I try not to paint all conservatives, that's why I try to most most, some, etc. Nice try deflecting Con, but no dice there. Nothing I said is incorrect in the least.

And nowhere in my comments did I say it was all America's fault.
 
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Nothing of what you said refutes ANYTHING I mentioned. Also I try not to paint all conservatives, that's why I try to most most, some, etc. Nice try deflecting Con, but no dice there. Nothing I said is incorrect in the least.

And nowhere in my comments did I say it was all America's fault.

did you serve in Iraq? Have you ever served in the Military? I had three family members serve in Iraq. Suggest you spend some time with many of the good people who did serve. You ignore what radical Islam is doing as they try to hijack a normally peaceful religion. We did the right thing getting rid of Saddam Hussein and Obama failed to win the peace.

I suggest you read the entire thread here instead of just what I post. I wasn't responding to you but to others prior to you. Seems you don't represent their views.
 
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did you serve in Iraq? Have you ever served in the Military? I had three family members serve in Iraq. Suggest you spend some time with many of the good people who did serve. You ignore what radical Islam is doing as they try to hijack a normally peaceful religion. We did the right thing getting rid of Saddam Hussein and Obama failed to win the peace.

I suggest you read the entire thread here instead of just what I post. I wasn't responding to you but to others prior to you. Seems you don't represent their views.

Do you even read the words you type? Where am I IGNORING radical Islam, I even said it is a threat NUMEROUS times. I simply just won't paint an ENTIRE religion and blame all Muslims for it. I have served in the military and retired military. And no we didn't do the right thing in Iraq because we left it with sectarian violence, poor and corrupt leadership and wide open borders for terrorists to come through which is what Cheney said in the beginning when he was under Bush I. And that IS from talking with IRaq veterans, so you can stop with your "Talk to an Iraq veteran" crap. I have, maybe you should realize that not all IRaq veterans think the SAME thing.

You need to realize that your OPINION is not absolute or correct just because you say so and you don't speak for all Iraq veterans so STOP acting like you do. I know a few Iraq veterans that would love to kick your ass over your comments acting like you speak for them.
 
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Do you even read the words you type? Where am I IGNORING radical Islam, I even said it is a threat NUMEROUS times. I simply just won't paint an ENTIRE religion and blame all Muslims for it. I have served in the military and retired military. And no we didn't do the right thing in Iraq because we left it with sectarian violence, poor and corrupt leadership and wide open borders for terrorists to come through which is what Cheney said in the beginning when he was under Bush I. And that IS from talking with IRaq veterans, so you can stop with your "Talk to an Iraq veteran" crap. I have, maybe you should realize that not all IRaq veterans think the SAME thing.

You need to realize that your OPINION is not absolute or correct just because you say so and you don't speak for all Iraq veterans so STOP acting like you do. I know a few Iraq veterans that would love to kick your ass over your comments acting like you speak for them.

Answer your own question do you read anything that I post? Where did I condemn the entire region and blame ALL Muslims? Who left it with Sectarian violence? Obama is taking credit for pulling out all the troops. Bush's surge won the war and Obama's arrogance lost the peace.
 
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Answer your own question do you read anything that I post? Where did I condemn the entire region and blame ALL Muslims? Who left it with Sectarian violence? Obama is taking credit for pulling out all the troops. Bush's surge won the war and Obama's arrogance lost the peace.

Bush's surge did NOT win the war. There was a corrupt government, sectarian vioence and wide borders for terrorists to come through even when Bush left office. Face facts, it was a powder keg waiting to explode. Did Obama help it along? Yes. Would it have blown up without Obama? Yes, eventually.

You cannot have a corrupt government and sectarian violence and then claim victory. Not under Obama and not under Bush.
 
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