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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Less and less Americans believe Bush won anything. More and more Americans now understand that both wars he launched were a mistake. The only down side is that Americans are always duped long enough for the damage to be done. Think we'll have enough people calling bull**** to shut down military involvement in Syria now. Or will the endless props drug out to handwringing over IS, and the fear mongering of potential attacks at home, frighten Americans into supporting more failed US policy in the ME?
    We have a lot of low information voters in this country who buy rhetoric and have basically no logic and common sense. It really is a shame that these people know more about American Idol than what is going on in the world. You are very naive and very gullible. You will change with age.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Less and less Americans believe Bush won anything.
    Are Barrack Obama and Joe Biden among those fewer and fewer Americans? If so they haven't mentioned it. But if fewer people believe it, or more, what has that to do with the truth? Does believing make it so?

    When Obama declared the War on Terror to be over, did you believe that?

    More and more Americans now understand that both wars he launched were a mistake.
    Do they believe that the world would have been better with Saddam Hussein? These Americans are frightened of the unknown and wish they were safe from the Islamists out to get them. But the fact is that these terrorists have always been out to get innocent people throughout the world. These Americans you speak of (and others) don't understand that going to war is one thing and winning the war quite another.
    The only down side is that Americans are always duped long enough for the damage to be done. Think we'll have enough people calling bull**** to shut down military involvement in Syria now. Or will the endless props drug out to handwringing over IS, and the fear mongering of potential attacks at home, frighten Americans into supporting more failed US policy in the ME?
    Terrorists will do their best to attack nations around the world, not just Americans, in an attempt to spread their version of Islam. Your policy of running and hiding may make you feel more secure temporarily but they'll still pull you out from under that bed and treat you as they did Danny Pearl or Mike Foley.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

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    Are Barrack Obama and Joe Biden among those fewer and fewer Americans? If so they haven't mentioned it. But if fewer people believe it, or more, what has that to do with the truth? Does believing make it so?

    When Obama declared the War on Terror to be over, did you believe that?

    Do they believe that the world would have been better with Saddam Hussein? These Americans are frightened of the unknown and wish they were safe from the Islamists out to get them. But the fact is that these terrorists have always been out to get innocent people throughout the world. These Americans you speak of (and others) don't understand that going to war is one thing and winning the war quite another. Terrorists will do their best to attack nations around the world, not just Americans, in an attempt to spread their version of Islam. Your policy of running and hiding may make you feel more secure temporarily but they'll still pull you out from under that bed and treat you as they did Danny Pearl or Mike Foley.
    Go hold hands with Harper and along with the Mounties, lead the charge if you think that IS is a threat to you. I'm not hiding and I'm not scared. I'm interested in my country finding more effective policies for working in the Middle East. That's something you have no dog in the race on, just opinion.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Go hold hands with Harper and along with the Mounties, lead the charge if you think that IS is a threat to you. I'm not hiding and I'm not scared. I'm interested in my country finding more effective policies for working in the Middle East. That's something you have no dog in the race on, just opinion.
    Yes, I live in Canada and Costa Rica so am in no real danger at all, though eastern Canadians might be. But their main target, as on 9/11, and apropos of their voiced threats, is the United States. I know that the US and Canada are working together through intelligence and that Canada has come out in strong support of Israel (moreso than Obama in fact) and believe that this PM would support the US militarily also, however we can.

    I feel I know where you stand in all of this because you once dismissively accused me of being "pro-American", which is the one thing you got right. I'm even for Americans like yourself..

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, I live in Canada and Costa Rica so am in no real danger at all, though eastern Canadians might be. But their main target, as on 9/11, and apropos of their voiced threats, is the United States. I know that the US and Canada are working together through intelligence and that Canada has come out in strong support of Israel (moreso than Obama in fact) and believe that this PM would support the US militarily also, however we can.

    I feel I know where you stand in all of this because you once dismissively accused me of being "pro-American", which is the one thing you got right. I'm even for Americans like yourself..
    If I recall, it wasn't dismissive, it was a complement that you are more pro American then many Americans.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If I recall, it wasn't dismissive, it was a complement that you are more pro American then many Americans.
    Well, perhaps, though it certainly didn't seem so at the time. If it matters, I am pro-democracy and because the US is the world's leading democracy, I support America. I also support Canada, Australia and New Zealand, among many others.

    And I don't qualify my support by saying things like, Sure, Australia (Canada, US, ...) has made some mistakes...etc.

    Like this guy. Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Man alive, these ISIS guys are about as big a threat to the US today as the Viet Cong was in 1965.

    Let's all be scared, very scared.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well, perhaps, though it certainly didn't seem so at the time. If it matters, I am pro-democracy and because the US is the world's leading democracy, I support America. I also support Canada, Australia and New Zealand, among many others.

    And I don't qualify my support by saying things like, Sure, Australia (Canada, US, ...) has made some mistakes...etc.

    Like this guy. Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower

    I took you as a guy that never apologies when wrong and sees it as a sign of weakness. Those of us that oppose the menacing US policies in the ME are pro-democracy as well. But then we haven't a single democracy in the ME, for all our money and blood that we've shed, and blood that the citizens of the ME have shed as a direct result of US aggression/regime changes there.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Preface: The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:

    Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

    Odom also said:

    By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
    You are still failing. Name one policy by the USA that justifies terrorism against innocent civiliians. And be specific.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Less and less Americans believe Bush won anything. More and more Americans now understand that both wars he launched were a mistake. The only down side is that Americans are always duped long enough for the damage to be done. Think we'll have enough people calling bull**** to shut down military involvement in Syria now. Or will the endless props drug out to handwringing over IS, and the fear mongering of potential attacks at home, frighten Americans into supporting more failed US policy in the ME?
    You are not a credible authority either on what the American people believe or on what Bush accomplished. Any war in your mind is ill advised...more so if the president who ordered it had an "R" in front of his name on the ballot. Using your logic the Nazis would not have been pushed back in WW2. And they would now dominate at least Europe. Iraqi citizens now get to vote and elect their own leaders. As a result of the 2003 invasion, they enjoyed freedoms that they had not had in generations...and will again when ISIS is destroyed. You will just have to accept that Saddam Hussein is dead. If you cannot work out that as a result of the 2003 invasion and without ISIS, the average Iraqi's lot in life is much improved, then it is just a case of your own wish for failure in Iraq. I cannot help you.

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