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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    BHO did negotiate with terrorists and released five of their leaders for one Rose Garden invitee. How successful that was will be better judged with time.
    Well, it sure could not have impressed Muslim jihadists with America's resolve. Almost everything Mr. Obama has done seems calculated to convince our enemies we are weak sisters, while convincing our allies they can't count on us in a tight spot. Obama does not seem to understand the importance, in foreign policy, of dealing so harshly with open enemies that it scares hell out of others who were thinking of crossing the U.S.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    No, conservatives are those who want to maintain the status quo - whether it was segregation or anything else. The fact that they were Democrats doesn't make them less conservative. The biggest collection of right wing assholes you could possibly think of were Southern Democrats. Thankfully, after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, most of them became Republicans.
    I can understand your reluctance to call them Democrats, though indeed they were, and your preference to call them 'Conservative' is understood..

    But if you look at history from a Left/Right view or a Republican/Democrat point of view, the Left/Democrat usually comes up short. What the Left does consistently, and quite successfully, is to change the meaning of words in order to make themselves historically more innocent. Orwell certainly understood that, and you know too that it's more comfortable for you to call them 'conservatives' rather than the 'democrats' they actually are. Here's an interesting guy who speaks to the subject.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwqhoVIh65k

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And you've ignored what OBL had to say.
    OBL only speaks for OBL and every terrorist will try to justify their terrorism according to their own reasons. There are millions of other terrorists in the world, each with their own ax to grind.

    Why not investigate what the terrorists themselves have to say? Just exploring their websites should give you an idea what they're up to.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    They were conservative democrats. Nobody argues that. They tried to form their own party in 1948 under the banner of Strom Thurmond with a KKK platform that included opposition to making lynching a federal crime and integration of the armed forces. The passage of the Civil Rights Act led to them abandoning the party and becoming Independents or Republicans. These are historical facts - much like the famous 'Southern Strategy' of the Republican Party which sought to - in their words - capture the 'Negrophobe' vote.


    Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    How many Democrats currently serve in Congress from the deep south? How many Democratic Governors are there in the deep south? The south has moved even further to the Right than it was, and the fact that it's Republicans and not Dixiecrats is hardly breaking news.
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Well, it sure could not have impressed Muslim jihadists with America's resolve. Almost everything Mr. Obama has done seems calculated to convince our enemies we are weak sisters, while convincing our allies they can't count on us in a tight spot. Obama does not seem to understand the importance, in foreign policy, of dealing so harshly with open enemies that it scares hell out of others who were thinking of crossing the U.S.
    Just checking out Bill Whittle and he speaks to your legitimate concerns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_6dzE7bxs

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. But I do tend to live by my values and not theirs. If you believed in ours, you would as well.
    Flawed premise.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Our enemies have always been countries not such a radical ideology. I asked you who we negotiate and you never answered. There is no leader of that Ideology, just millions of radicals who believe their way to Allah is by killing anyone that disagrees with them. Tell me who we negotiate with?
    Yes, and you can't beat them by beating countries. And I did answer. Look back and read.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That s not true. We did not negotiate with Japan or Nazi Germany. We did not negotiate with terrorists either...
    I think you misread, but we did negotiated with both Germany and Japan, but also used forced. I linked examples of successful negotiation. It's not all or nothing, and I did not call to negotiate with terrorist. I have called for something very different.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Can you be a tad more specific? It seems clear that Iraq doesn't want them, which would seem to shred that simple theory of yours.
    Some in Iraq doesn't want them. But they are unlikely to go and conquer the rest of the world, and as weak as Iraq is, they are unlikely to win all of it either. They are not Hitler's Germany or even WWII Japan. We shouldn't elevate their status beyond what it actually is.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    BHO did negotiate with terrorists and released five of their leaders for one Rose Garden invitee. How successful that was will be better judged with time.
    That's not really negotiation, but how were you on Reagan when he just appeased them?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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