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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    By comparison... Perhaps. At least it wasn't our troops in the mix. Saddam was a piece of **** dictator who was oppressive to his people which is how dictators hold on to power. Especially ones that are in a minority in their own country. But in volatile areas sometimes the heavy hand keeps waring factions from ripping each other apart. Tito comes to mind and just as soon as he died the Christians and Muslims went after each other and the whole Bosnia civil war/genocide happened.

    Now in Iraq the oppressive dictator is dead and the sunni/shi'ite fighting ensues. I think it was biden in the 2008 election that Iraq should be split into three countries based on religion... Shi'ite, sunni and Kurd countries. Probably the only hope there is to keeping them off of each other... And even that might not work.
    The better answer (to Bush's discredit) would have been to do a better job of creating a post war Iraq. Ousting Saddam was the right thing to do. Less than 2 years later, Iraq had a functioning government and Constitution. We could have and should have done a better job of preparing them for a post war government. We should have maintained a stronger presence to better secure the security of our personnel there. We should have done a better job with propaganda...winning the hearts and minds. We should have done a better job of being very clear about what a post war Iraq could be with both the option of a Free Iraq and an Iraq under fundamentalist rule.

    We did a ****ty job post war ops.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The better answer (to Bush's discredit) would have been to do a better job of creating a post war Iraq. Ousting Saddam was the right thing to do. Less than 2 years later, Iraq had a functioning government and Constitution. We could have and should have done a better job of preparing them for a post war government. We should have maintained a stronger presence to better secure the security of our personnel there. We should have done a better job with propaganda...winning the hearts and minds. We should have done a better job of being very clear about what a post war Iraq could be with both the option of a Free Iraq and an Iraq under fundamentalist rule.

    We did a ****ty job post war ops.
    "We" got zero support from the left and the media on the post war Iraq. Obama's commitment was to get out, he ran on the issue and then abandoned the country. That opened the flood gates and destroyed the incredible job our military did. When the Democrats won the Congress in the 2006 elections, the abandonment of the Iraqi Govt. began in earnest. Just listen to the left today. Has anyone heard much about the 40,000 Christians stranded on the mountains of northern Iraq? Imagine that Kurdish Air base that Obama failed to secure defending them but no, Iraq was the bad war, we had no business in Iraq according to liberals, and Iraq now is the responsibility of the Iraqis. Yes, liberals you are getting your wish.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    "We" got zero support from the left and the media on the post war Iraq. Obama's commitment was to get out, he ran on the issue and then abandoned the country. That opened the flood gates and destroyed the incredible job our military did. When the Democrats won the Congress in the 2006 elections, the abandonment of the Iraqi Govt. began in earnest. Just listen to the left today. Has anyone heard much about the 40,000 Christians stranded on the mountains of northern Iraq? Imagine that Kurdish Air base that Obama failed to secure defending them but no, Iraq was the bad war, we had no business in Iraq according to liberals, and Iraq now is the responsibility of the Iraqis. Yes, liberals you are getting your wish.
    I completely agree. The very same DEMOCRATS...those that had been clamoring for Saddams ouster and who had been decrying Saddam and pointing to his possession of WMDs, USE of WMDs, and his constant lies about the disposition of his WMDs IMMEDIATELY claimed they were victims...that Bush lied, that gosh...golly...if only the KNEW they would have never voted to support the war.

    ****ing disgusting maggots the lot of them. They sold out the military and their country for an election. Vermin. Worse than vermin.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Notice all you offer is rhetoric and opinions never data or facts, why is that?
    Pretty sure opinion is all you've brought with you, too!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where is the liberal red line in Iraq? We won the war and lost the peace. Liberals don't seem to care that we told them that radical Islam would just sit and wait for all the troops to be withdrawn before moving back in. Think that ISIS would be rolling through Iraq with a U.S. force remaining there? Do you honestly believe that Obama negotiated in good faith to keep any troops there? He is doing the same thing in Afghanistan. Anyone that says the world is safer now than when Bush left office is delusional and nothing more than a partisan low information voter.
    There was never peace in Iraq, never. Stop your damn lying.

    Timeline of terrorist attacks in Iraq.


    Chronology
    2003: 25 suicide bombings
    2004: 140 suicide bombings
    2005: 478 suicide bombings
    2006: 297 suicide bombings
    2007: 442 Suicide Bombings
    2008: 257 Suicide Bombings
    2009: 76 Suicide Bombings
    2010: 44 Suicide Bombings

    2008 818 1,029 1,607 1,260 792 696 606 613 557 547 518 575 9,618

    A list by month of all the Iraqis killed during Bush's last year in Iraq! There never was peace.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casua...f_the_Iraq_War


    AND NOTE THE SIGNIFICANT DROP IN TERRORIST ATTACKS BETWEEN BUSH's LAST YEAR AND OBAMA'S FIRST!!
    Last edited by Montecresto; 08-11-14 at 05:11 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion, things were certainly a lot better there then than now or are you part of the liberal group that doesn't give a damn about the genocide in northern Iraq or the potential move of ISIS on Baghdad? Feel safe and secure in Utah these days? I slept well with Bush in the WH knowing he would act, not so much these days.

    Two pages ago you didn't even know that ISIS was from Iraq, so how would you know if it was better there then than now?


    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion, when were you in Iraq? ...... ISIS came out of Syria not Iraq. ISIS wouldn't be in Iraq today had Obama...
    Last edited by Moot; 08-11-14 at 05:39 PM.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I completely agree. The very same DEMOCRATS...those that had been clamoring for Saddams ouster and who had been decrying Saddam and pointing to his possession of WMDs, USE of WMDs, and his constant lies about the disposition of his WMDs IMMEDIATELY claimed they were victims...that Bush lied, that gosh...golly...if only the KNEW they would have never voted to support the war.

    ****ing disgusting maggots the lot of them. They sold out the military and their country for an election. Vermin. Worse than vermin.

    More than half the democrats didn't vote for or support the war.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The better answer (to Bush's discredit) would have been to do a better job of creating a post war Iraq. Ousting Saddam was the right thing to do. Less than 2 years later, Iraq had a functioning government and Constitution. We could have and should have done a better job of preparing them for a post war government. We should have maintained a stronger presence to better secure the security of our personnel there. We should have done a better job with propaganda...winning the hearts and minds. We should have done a better job of being very clear about what a post war Iraq could be with both the option of a Free Iraq and an Iraq under fundamentalist rule.

    We did a ****ty job post war ops.
    Americans should forget the hearts and minds propaganda.. They already have the hearts and minds of normal people but will never win the H and M of the fanatics.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Apparently, the Pentagon Press Secretary has disputed the NYT story:

    https://twitter.com/PentagonPresSec/...88631599464448

    Pentagon: No U.S. air strikes have taken place in Iraq | Reuters

    It has been reported that humanitarian drops took place: Obama Authorizes Air Strikes in Iraq - ABC News

    Perhaps witnesses might have confused the humanitarian drops with air strikes.
    Perhaps the Pentagon and the White House aren't communicating well. Obama says tackling Iraq's insurgency will take time | Reuters

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    More than half the democrats didn't vote for or support the war.
    Many were. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk

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