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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
    Well if Obama is enept in his handling of Iraq and Afghanistan, especially wrt "winning the war", it also underlines how utterly and fully incompetent the administration that put American boots on the ground there in the first place, was.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Actually isis wasn't on the run killing Christians and threatening Genocide when Bush was President.
    I see this thread clips along a lot faster than I have the time to keep reading all new posts.

    However, that response completely misses the mark on the point.

    Yes I know that ISIS didn't even exist in force, if at all, when GWB invaded Iraq.

    Point is that when that invasion took place American forces did not, nor was there any move to, control the borders. there was no thought to policing, and law and order either.

    Every aspect of Hussein's beraucracy was dismantled including border control, policing, and the judicial system AND nothing was put in to replace it.
    What that did, to the seeming utter dismay of Don Rumsfelf and Dick Cheney, was effectively install anarchy and borders open to any group with a grudge against the USA or the west of who were in support of one ethinc faction or another. Ethinc faction violence, once brutally put down by Hussein (who took it upon himself to operate in such violent operations instead) went through the roof as foreign fighters flooded Iraq over the now porous borders.

    Make no mistake , the invasion went swimmingly, the occupation was seemingly never even thought about until after it was a reality. "Mission accomplished" oops gotta spend another $trillion on something we already declared a done deal and finished.


    In years hence the Bush admin discovered that once such gates are open its all but impossible to close them. They essentially left that up to Obama. By then thousands of Americans had died in an occupation that had cost taxpayers $trillion of money borrowed from China.

    Is it any wonder that Obama wanted out? Now the ghosts that came into being because of the failed, shortsighted and inept occupation of Iraq under GWB are bigger and scarier. Yet this is somehow, Obama's fault because HE(?) doesn't want to spend more money and LIVES on it?
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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Noticed you didn't highlight this sentence



    We tried to tell you if you dictate an actual date of withdrawal this would happen. Obama's incompetence allowed it to happen.

    My point was to highlight that ISIS is from Iraq. You still seem to be denial over that fact, Conservative.


    ISI moved into Syria AFTER the 2012 uprising and having gained territory there, they now call themselves ISIS....or ISIL to include all of the ME.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
    I see this thread clips along a lot faster than I have the time to keep reading all new posts.

    However, that response completely misses the mark on the point.

    Yes I know that ISIS didn't even exist in force, if at all, when GWB invaded Iraq.

    Point is that when that invasion took place American forces did not, nor was there any move to, control the borders. there was no thought to policing, and law and order either.

    Every aspect of Hussein's beraucracy was dismantled including border control, policing, and the judicial system AND nothing was put in to replace it.
    What that did, to the seeming utter dismay of Don Rumsfelf and Dick Cheney, was effectively install anarchy and borders open to any group with a grudge against the USA or the west of who were in support of one ethinc faction or another. Ethinc faction violence, once brutally put down by Hussein (who took it upon himself to operate in such violent operations instead) went through the roof as foreign fighters flooded Iraq over the now porous borders.

    Make no mistake , the invasion went swimmingly, the occupation was seemingly never even thought about until after it was a reality. "Mission accomplished" oops gotta spend another $trillion on something we already declared a done deal and finished.


    In years hence the Bush admin discovered that once such gates are open its all but impossible to close them. They essentially left that up to Obama. By then thousands of Americans had died in an occupation that had cost taxpayers $trillion of money borrowed from China.

    Is it any wonder that Obama wanted out? Now the ghosts that came into being because of the failed, shortsighted and inept occupation of Iraq under GWB are bigger and scarier. Yet this is somehow, Obama's fault because HE(?) doesn't want to spend more money and LIVES on it?
    Wow, nice attempt at re-writing history, is there anyone here that believes ISIS would be a threat if we had a contingency force in Iraq after the withdrawal? This is exactly what happens when you put an incompetent in charge of keeping the peace and his incompetence will be defended until their dying breath, wonder why? What is it about liberalism and Obama that creates people like this?

    You can ignore history for example the Gulf war that never really ended. You can ignore the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. You can ignore the actual quotes of Democrats prior to Bush taking office and afterwards. You can ignore that the Senate under Democrat control gave approval for the invasion. You can ignore the world community that said Saddam Hussein was a threat? You can deny that Saddam Hussein used WMD on his own people. You can deny that he violated numerous UN resolutions. You can deny UN inspector Richard Butler's own words, "Don't believe those who say they aren't there just because we haven't found them. Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," Iraq certainly did have weapons of mass destruction. “Trust me. I held some in my own hands."

    Yes, you can remain in a state of denial but all that does is ignore history and what actually happened.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    My point was to highlight that ISIS is from Iraq. You still seem to be denial over that fact, Conservative.


    ISI moved into Syria AFTER the 2012 uprising and having gained territory there, they now call themselves ISIS....or ISIL to include all of the ME.
    No, I don't deny that just like I don't deny that they went to Syria and Obama's failure to confront the problem in Syria gave them a green light to return to Iraq and try to build their Islamic Caliphate. It is Obama's incompetence and the liberal defense that is making this world much more dangerous than it was when Obama took office

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, I don't deny that just like I don't deny that they went to Syria and Obama's failure to confront the problem in Syria gave them a green light to return to Iraq and try to build their Islamic Caliphate. It is Obama's incompetence and the liberal defense that is making this world much more dangerous than it was when Obama took office

    And yet....Assad has given up his chemical weapon stockpiles and without one US troop setting foot in Syria. Perhaps you are disappointed that no American blood was shed in that endeavor?


    Did you know the US has been destroying Assad's chemical weapons at sea?



    "....The United States will destroy the highest-priority chemicals,[80] which were scheduled for removal from Syria by 31 December,[80] on board the MV Cape Ray in international waters of the Mediterranean,[51] using an U.S. Army Field Deployable Hydrolysis System.[81] The United Kingdom will give the United States specialist equipment and training to enable the highest-priority chemicals to be processed more quickly.[82] In addition around 150 tonnes of priority two chemicals, toxic material similar to industrial chemical agents, will be transported to the UK with the help of the British Royal Navy and destroyed there. The remaining stock of priority two chemicals not going to Britain will be destroyed by commercial companies.[83]

    The first shipment of components for chemical weapons were removed from Syria by a Norwegian/Danish[84][85] flotilla on 7 January 2014.[86] The 31 December deadline for complete removal of priority chemicals had been missed; on 7 January, the New York Times assessed the delay was due to the difficulty of overland transport of chemical weapons in the middle of a civil war.[87] A second shipment was removed around 27 January; that same day, the U.N. Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, expressed concern over the worsening delays and assessed that Syria already has the resources required to transport the weapons promptly despite the ongoing civil war.[88]

    On 2 July, the Danish ship - Ark Futura arrived in the Italian port of Gioia Tauro, carrying the chemical weapons, which were then loaded onto the U.S. ship Cape Ray. The Cape Ray was equipped with two Field Deployable Hydrolysis Systems capable of neutralizing the poisonous substances and converting them into industrial waste.[89] On 19 July 2014, around 250 protesters gathered at the Souda base to protest the elimination of the chemical weapons in the nearby region of the Mediterranean Sea.[90]

    Destruction of Syria's chemical weapons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    So where's the red line now, eh?

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    And yet....Assad has given up his chemical weapon stockpiles and without one US troop setting foot in Syria. Perhaps you are disappointed that no American blood was shed in that endeavor?


    Did you know the US has been destroying Assad's chemical weapons at sea?



    "....The United States will destroy the highest-priority chemicals,[80] which were scheduled for removal from Syria by 31 December,[80] on board the MV Cape Ray in international waters of the Mediterranean,[51] using an U.S. Army Field Deployable Hydrolysis System.[81] The United Kingdom will give the United States specialist equipment and training to enable the highest-priority chemicals to be processed more quickly.[82] In addition around 150 tonnes of priority two chemicals, toxic material similar to industrial chemical agents, will be transported to the UK with the help of the British Royal Navy and destroyed there. The remaining stock of priority two chemicals not going to Britain will be destroyed by commercial companies.[83]

    The first shipment of components for chemical weapons were removed from Syria by a Norwegian/Danish[84][85] flotilla on 7 January 2014.[86] The 31 December deadline for complete removal of priority chemicals had been missed; on 7 January, the New York Times assessed the delay was due to the difficulty of overland transport of chemical weapons in the middle of a civil war.[87] A second shipment was removed around 27 January; that same day, the U.N. Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, expressed concern over the worsening delays and assessed that Syria already has the resources required to transport the weapons promptly despite the ongoing civil war.[88]

    On 2 July, the Danish ship - Ark Futura arrived in the Italian port of Gioia Tauro, carrying the chemical weapons, which were then loaded onto the U.S. ship Cape Ray. The Cape Ray was equipped with two Field Deployable Hydrolysis Systems capable of neutralizing the poisonous substances and converting them into industrial waste.[89] On 19 July 2014, around 250 protesters gathered at the Souda base to protest the elimination of the chemical weapons in the nearby region of the Mediterranean Sea.[90]

    Destruction of Syria's chemical weapons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    So where's the red line now, eh?
    Where is the liberal red line in Iraq? We won the war and lost the peace. Liberals don't seem to care that we told them that radical Islam would just sit and wait for all the troops to be withdrawn before moving back in. Think that ISIS would be rolling through Iraq with a U.S. force remaining there? Do you honestly believe that Obama negotiated in good faith to keep any troops there? He is doing the same thing in Afghanistan. Anyone that says the world is safer now than when Bush left office is delusional and nothing more than a partisan low information voter.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where is the liberal red line in Iraq? We won the war and lost the peace. Liberals don't seem to care that we told them that radical Islam would just sit and wait for all the troops to be withdrawn before moving back in. Think that ISIS would be rolling through Iraq with a U.S. force remaining there? Do you honestly believe that Obama negotiated in good faith to keep any troops there? He is doing the same thing in Afghanistan. Anyone that says the world is safer now than when Bush left office is delusional and nothing more than a partisan low information voter.

    We never had the peace. If you want to place blame you have to go all the way back to the....

    Sykes–Picot Agreement

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    We never had the peace. If you want to place blame you have to go all the way back to the....

    Sykes–Picot Agreement
    That is your opinion, things were certainly a lot better there then than now or are you part of the liberal group that doesn't give a damn about the genocide in northern Iraq or the potential move of ISIS on Baghdad? Feel safe and secure in Utah these days? I slept well with Bush in the WH knowing he would act, not so much these days.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you mean that 'peace' existed prior to Bush attacking and ousting Saddam Hussein?
    By comparison... Perhaps. At least it wasn't our troops in the mix. Saddam was a piece of **** dictator who was oppressive to his people which is how dictators hold on to power. Especially ones that are in a minority in their own country. But in volatile areas sometimes the heavy hand keeps waring factions from ripping each other apart. Tito comes to mind and just as soon as he died the Christians and Muslims went after each other and the whole Bosnia civil war/genocide happened.

    Now in Iraq the oppressive dictator is dead and the sunni/shi'ite fighting ensues. I think it was biden in the 2008 election that Iraq should be split into three countries based on religion... Shi'ite, sunni and Kurd countries. Probably the only hope there is to keeping them off of each other... And even that might not work.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq

    Bury your head liberals and continue to believe theirs isn't a world wide agenda

    http://thehayride.com/2014/08/holton...-state-threat/

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